You do realize why this is happening right? It's not because too many players are using these weapons. It's because Bungie is trying to keep PVP and PVE on the same boat and you can't do that. You have to treat each one separate. This is the same reason why Ubisoft have separate updates for the dark zone and for PVE for division 2... You can't have a game with both PVP and PVE and expect them to be balanced. they are two separate things if you try to balance both of them at the same time it will affect weapons, it would affect combat and it will affect abilities to a point where the game is completely broken. That's why Anthem does not have PVP. Honestly down the road Bungie will have to consider if they want a game that is PVP or PVE. Just like how they decided that they wanted to cater to only hardcore players... As the answer to your question they should not be nerfed. people work hard to get those PVP Pinnacle weapons you don't see them Nerfing breakneck so why the f*** would they Nerf PVP Pinnacle weapons when they are designed for PVP to be better at PVP... keep in mind I'm a PVE player and I'm saying this stuff... It's not the weapons fault it's Bungie they need to keep these two modes PVE and PVP separate. they need to have developers only for PVP and have separate developers only for PVE. However at the same time keep them separate from updates and hotfixes if they did this PVP would be more balanced. I strongly believe the reason we get so much recycled content is because Bungie tries to balance both PVE and PVP and when you do so you have to keep making balance patches back and forth back and forth back and forth. You know it's like when you work in a barber shop after you cut someone's hair you get a broom you sweep the floor. That's like if somebody worked in the barbershop and there was a line of a bunch of customers getting their haircut, and they kept trying to sweep and sweep and clean every single spot they can't do that because there's so many customers that wants service. same thing with PVE and PVP you can't keep fixing every single Gap every single problem to make them both balance it will drive you insane. I honestly think that's why the senior writer of Bungie The raid leader of Bungie as well as a pvp developer left Bungie is because all this is driving them insane!! even Ubisoft are considering making the next division game either PVP or PVE only.. Bungie needs to consider this. From what I experienced from playing for the last 2 weeks after coming back from a long hiatus. the current player base are PVP players Bungie needs to make a game that is strictly PVP supply and demand they will make more money from a PVP player base. This is something I need to consider what will you give them more revenue. they have to be smart about this because Activision was their main investor they don't have Activision anymore. They have to figure out what exactly will give them the most revenue which is PVP.

Signed remove bloom instead

To all the people saying "ooh you lost your crutch you big baby." Lets discuss the real issues.“The real problem is highlighted by Luna and Not Forgotten. The biggest problem with why Luna and NF are so good, is because they belong to the Precision Frame HC Archetype. For those who are blissfully unaware of what bloom is, I'll give a quick rundown. There is basically a "cone" coming from the barrel of your gun. The bullet you shoot can have a path of travel anywhere in that cone. Consecutive shots fired off in rapid succession (without letting the reticle reset) increase the size of the "cone". There is more to it, but this is the basic concept. Bloom adds unnecessary RNG to gunfights. The reason why precision frame HCs are so good, is that they have minimal bloom, loads of aim assist on controller, and amazing in air accuracy (IAA is almost perfect on 180s). All other HC archetypes suffer from more bloom, as well as jarring recoil patterns. The effect of these recoil patterns are amplified with the low field of view on console. Long story short, the real problem is the mechanics of Hand Cannons, not the TTK of Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten. Want to know why Luna and NF aren't as widely used on PC? Bloom doesn't affect mouse and keyboard. That is why you see far more Aces, Last words, Kindled Orchids, etc. on PC.. Don't get me wrong, Luna and NF are still good on PC, but you aren't handicapping yourself if you don't use them, due to the lack of bloom on M and K opening up other options. Since Luna and NF are going to remain Precision Frames, they will still dominate the meta. Lowering the rate of fire of Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten is only fixing a symptom, not treating the disease. These two weapons will continue to dominate the controller meta (as they will be Precision Hand Cannons still, just with a 150 Rate of Fire and Impact) until the entire hand cannon weapon class gets a re-work.

Nah. I actually want to see where this is going. NF and LH are still going to be viable just with a slightly slower TTK

Signed . Bungie needs to bring other things up . Be done with it .

What do you mean I got this thing called the Jotunn it takes skill and tracks across the map and it's a ohk.

Signed. Nerf is pointless.

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Nah

I would sign. But it won’t change anything

[b]Just because you earned a gun it does not make it exempt from nerfs/adjustments[/b]

This is adorable lol

Bungie don't care

Pathetic

What’s a Luna?

wow an actual petition instead of a clickbait post getting lots of upvotes. I salute you in that regard for actually making a petition.

No

You should have made a petition to exclude nf from the proposed change. Luna should get the nerf but nf should remain the same or just -10 or -15 stability.

Come on pal, are you not bored? I need a change, don’t be scared... adjust!

This petition and this post are worthless. The guns we're destined to be balanced. It happens in every game. Accept it now and save yourself the heartache.