I agree the Thorn needs a buff and What they should do is just fix bullet drop off damage on all hand cannons. And have a reworked Exotic perk for the Thorn that gets rid of those dam green orbs that get you killed 90% of the time. Bungie could make it similar to ace of spades so when you get the first kill and reload it buffers the the range and damage but doesn’t stack this will make the the Thorn usable in pvp but please don’t make it to strong lol

From a reddit post [quote]"I love thorn and it’s a potent d2 weapon, but it’s nothing crazy, especially considering console recoil. Burn damage should be increased to 3 rather than 2, and even though it sounds insignificant, it would allow consistent 2 headshot 1 body kills, and 2 shots with soul devourer. I get that you don’t want it to be overpowered, but it’s still exotic, and it should most definitely have power over legendaries."[/quote] the part i agree the most, its that it needs to feel exotic, it feels less strong that a legendary, and the orbs get you killed half of the time, a kill should buff the damage by 1, so if you get a kill, the burn damage will be 3 of damage, next kill will make the burn damage be 4, and so forth until you get to 7 and when you die it goes back to making 2 of damage, it gives a great reward to players that are good using hand cannons, and players that have kill streak, you need a 5 player kill streak, exclusively with thorn to get it to feel exotic, which would be an amazing re-work.From a reddit post "I love thorn and it’s a potent d2 weapon, but it’s nothing crazy, especially considering console recoil. Burn damage should be increased to 3 rather than 2, and even though it sounds insignificant, it would allow consistent 2 headshot 1 body kills, and 2 shots with soul devourer. I get that you don’t want it to be overpowered, but it’s still exotic, and it should most definitely have power over legendaries." the part i agree the most, its that it needs to feel exotic, it feels less strong that a legendary, and the orbs get you killed half of the time, a kill should buff the damage by 1, so if you get a kill, the burn damage will be 3 of damage, next kill will make the burn damage be 4, and so forth until you get to 7 and when you die it goes back to making 2 of damage, it gives a great reward to players that are good using hand cannons, and players that have kill streak, you need a 5 player kill streak, exclusively with thorn to get it to feel exotic, which would be an amazing re-work

Yeah i Want my Y1 Thorn back to the full potential of the Thorn, it is a guardian killer afterall ,also weapons such as recluse,not forgotten, lunas, roadrix claymore and broadsword are the ones who needs to be nerfed, Also Please bungie remove the ugly orbs u have to chase it gets u killed too many times Xd

I think maybe the perk should be altered, I'm pre sure Evade had a good idea where mark of the devourer functions far more like MM on Ace. In addition i would like to see it get its range back, possibly in the form of a catalyst that gives +30 range along with a necrochasm/ cursed thrall style explosion on a kill. Practiculary copying Ace, but in fairness I think its the most well rounded exotic cannon we've had since hawkmoon in D1 so it should be the bar/ model that all others should meet? Along with the tweak to its bloom and recoil pattern of course, that definitely needs to be fixed. Also the cursed thrall explosion is a bit of a stretch but all the others should definitely happen, maybe outlaw instead???

Maybe health regen, you know the one that starts to give health back not give instant health

Bring up base dot to 3 per tick. Give (send it) for catalyst. Where are the catalyst Bungie.

Ya the grind for it is too much for the gun as it currently stands. Frankly I use it in pve cuz pve is easy, and I like the more and look. But there’s no practical reason to use it. It’s terrible in Pvp. Huge recoil huge flinch. Aim assist isn’t great when compared to Luna nf. Also has a lower rate of fire. Even the guns perks are rather useless. The regular dot is terrible. Doesn’t make a difference as either duration doesn’t increase in hits or it just doesn’t last very long period. You have to run and get the orbs to get the devoured perk so a decent enemy team will kill you going for them every time if they are smart. Even with the work the gun DOESNT TWO TAP. It two taps with a dot in less than 6 res guardians only otherwise it’s still a three tap. Frankly I wouldn’t have an issue if I didn’t have to do a ridiculous grind for it since it’s nit useful. However since we did grind it’s extremely unimpressive.

Personally I love it the way it is. In my opinion (Keep in mind its an OPINION), I think Bungie did a great job perfectly balancing this weapon.

Fix the flinch and recoil and we’re good to go

Lmao is this a joke

[quote]We all know it to be true, Thorn is a disappointment,[/quote] You didn't offer any insight into what you disliked about it, just gave a blanket statement that everyone is disappointed with it. I gotta say, I strongly disagree. I love Thorn in comp pvp, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that I love it in pve as well. Increased movement speed as a 150rpm, poison damage to prevent regen/mark enemies, two-taps after a kill. What's not to love? Would I like it less if I had a god rolled Spare Rations? Maybe, but until that day it is my new go-to hand cannon.

Seems to be a solid handcannon to me. Sounds like you need to practice with it.

I’ve been using it on console and I’ve been beating out almost every weapon in the game. The only gun that really creates a problem is NF. It’s a 3 tap headshot and a 2 tap headshot if you pick up the orbs (if you don’t you’re using it wrong). I think it’s fine how it is honestly. It’s an amazing pairing wit the recluse SMG. My first game with them I went 50 and 10 and in the past 25 games I’ve only lost 2. I see everyone wants it buffed/tweaked anyway, so whatever I wouldn’t mind it.

It's fine on PC but the kick on it (and on ALL guns) is way too high on console.

Thorn (and all 150 and 140 hand cannons for that matter) just need less recoil and more stability. Once the guns can actually be used consistently at their top rate of fire, then we should talk about range, damage drop off, and damage in general.