THEY'RE NOT NERFED. Good lord do y'all read? I bet you 90% of you read rapid fire speed reduction down and didn't read the rest. READ THE REST YOU JACKELOPES.

2x damage in PvE 70% max fire rate 2 x .7 = 1.4 This is a 140% buff to DPS, improves ammo efficiency, reduces the frequency of reloads, and buffs trench barrel (still 3 shots - double damage of each shot). This is not a nerf. If anything they buffed SGs too much.

Shotguns In Season of the Drifter, we’re making a few changes to rapid-fire Shotguns, and the Full Auto perk. We're doing this for a few reasons, one of them being that the Full Auto perk feels far too important to Shotguns in PvE. This perk effectively doubles the damage output of any given Shotgun due to the rate of fire increase. While we believe it is important to have useful perks on your weapons, the efficacy of this was so impactful that rapid-fire Shotguns became the only Shotguns worth considering for PvE. When the following changes release in Season of the Drifter, we hope you might be inspired to equip an aggressive Shotgun or maybe even take a slug Shotgun for a spin in a PvE activity. Shotguns will receive a damage multiplier in PvE activities, effectively doubling their damage. The Legend of Acrius is an exception to this. Full Auto rate-of-fire bonus for Shotguns is now +10%, down from +100%. In addition, it no longer increases the Shotgun pellet spread. Default rate-of-fire values for have also shifted: Aggressives are 55 RPM, up from 45 RPM Precisions are 70 RPM, up from 55 RPM Lightweights are 80 RPM (they were erroneously stated to be 90 RPM previously) Rapid-Fire 140 RPM, down from 200 RPM (they were previously natively 100 RPM, but due to the intrinsic full auto, actually had 200 RPM) Also reduced base damage for Shotguns across the board to align with their new rates of fire on a per sub-archetype basis. Ammo reserves for Shotguns were re-evaluated due to the increased efficiency of having more damage per shot. We also took the opportunity to slightly adjust Shotguns for the Crucible. While Shotguns will remain effective in the Crucible, we have toned down the range at which Shotguns could secure a one-shot kill. Show me a single nerf.This is exactly the shotgun portion of twab.Shotguns got a massive pve buff and was toned down in pvp because they got fire rate buff for all the others and rapid frames were just balanced.Community can't even tell the difference between a balance and a nerf.Shotguns right now are very strong and shut down any gun minus fusions.

[quote]Stop nerfing strong things and buff things that aren't strong.[/quote] They didn’t nerf full autos. They brought everything else forward, then buffed ALL of them. The rate of fire went down less than half (for full autos, everything else went up) but the damage doubled, resulting in a buff for all shotguns, aside from the range in PvP

They got buffed you jackass.

Oh, maybe because their used to melt just about every boss in the game? [spoiler]I love my Ikelos and Threat Level as much as the next but if you think this nerf was unwarranted you’re delusional.[/spoiler]

PVP needs to be removed from the game

I stopped using Ikelos SG and Threat Level after getting Loaded Question and Jotunn -- the latter two had fewer ammo issues during raids and other crowded fights while delivering more overall killing power. As a result, the rapid fire shotgun nerf news came as a big surprise since there are now better weapon options available.

I think it’s ironic that the PvE players that always scream nerf to crucible weapons because they arent good with the meta are so upset now. This is what it feels like welcome to the party... and to say no one asked for it doesn’t even make since, shuro chi was gonna stop by the forums to voice her concern but she’s just a little bit too scared to come out after all those times she got melted with ikelos.

They've done it because they melt the gambit boss too quickly and with the next season focusing on gambit, it had to be done.

EVERYONE ASKED FOR A SHOTGUN NERF. Saying no one asked for it is plain and simply a lie.

[quote]Why nerf Rapid Fire shotguns?[/quote] [quote]I understand there needs to be [b]variety[/b] in pve[/quote] [quote]Why nerf rapid fire shotguns that are powerful and buff other shotguns that probably won't even be used anyway?[/quote] [quote]I understand there needs to be [b]variety[/b] in pve[/quote] [quote]Stop nerfing strong things and buff things that aren't strong.[/quote] [quote]I understand there needs to be [b]variety[/b] in pve[/quote]

Because they are too good?