in the link which I am listed on, is a match from last night in QP - I was part of a 4 squad, two of us loaded Grenade Launchers to work towards mountain top - I don't shoot very well. Top guy did OK. (the following match I think he was over 1.0) https://destinytracker.com/d2/pgcr/3648437490 but the point is - the opposing team had 5 diamond players that were matched up against 5 bronze and silver players. This is a regular occurrence in QP, yes had I been using a regular set up, I would have done better but we still got stomped. This is What is Considered "Casual". Now in Bungie's defense - this match would NEVER happen in IB because of sbmm. The diamonds would be more likely to be split up (say 3 v 2) or just not even in that same game - our platinum would get 1 diamond in opposition to keep it "balanced" with everyone else being bottom tier. Bungie will not put sbmm back into QP, which IMO is a huge mistake. QP should be sbmm for the simple reason that casuals and non-pvp centric players need an area to play and grind out the weekly milestones without being totally frustrated. Something that they can just load into and get done without having to sweat much. All Other Crucible activities (Iron Banner, Comp, Mayhem, Rumble, Supremacy, etc.) should not have sbmm in place. Those are areas where (when possible) teams should be able to pub stomp whomever dares set foot into them. Allow them to roam free and show off skill. Casuals and non-pvp centric folk would not go in there and having pinnacle weapons for those activities would give them something to work towards. If casuals wanted to up their game they could try for them but they would know the stakes. and Yes, I understand the implications of removing sbmm from IB but that is the point - IB is supposed to be an End Game Activity - it is supposed to be sweaty. I go into IB now and being a bottom tier player, am able to easily grind out wins/bounties because I am playing against not as skilled opponents, and I have played enough to up my game slightly, but I am still a sub 1.0 player. I have said it before and I guarantee it to be true - players are quitting the PvP on destiny because there is no reason for a casual to go into an activity to be shat on, thus the bronze stop playing. next the silvers get pounded into submission long enough they stop playing. next come the gold, eventually you are only left with Diamonds and Platinums that will complain that every match is sweaty because those are the only players still playing.