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I agree wholeheartedly with you... seems like every other quest I get now for exotic stuff is like this. Last word, chaperone etc... tey seem to just end up sitting in my inventory... cannot complete... I die 2x more than I can get kills... ACE of space required pvp, but it was get kills and precision hand cannon kills... harder to get for me but not impossible... could accomplish it eventually... Last word I got as far at 35%, then back to 0 wihin 3 or 4 games... I got for a few hours which is all I get sometimes in days and never really get anything else done... because I want to get the quest done and feel good about finishing it... but does not work... I am close to giving up on another quest that requires pvp kill ratios...

Fact is you don't have to get it and if you don't play PvP or aren't very good at it you won't have much use for it

Hat ein neues Thema gestartet: People that complain about the last word quest are just bad

Its not a gun for pve so why do you think you shouldn't have to do pvp?I would sound just as foolish saying give me 1000 voices a raid exotic in pvp or chattering bone.Why do you even want the gun if you play only pve?Admit it of you had any of the pvp guns you would be doing the same thing as the crowd.

Still can't outgun Enkaar. -blam!- me, right!?

If you’re not into PvP why grind for a PvP weapon? Not all gear should be automatically available just for turning up and trying

As not a PVP player as you say you are, what's the meaning of trying to get a weapon that is useable only in crucible? And trust me last word will not change anything, there isn't a weapon that magically morph you in lord Shaxx, even luna's or non forgotten, if not in the right hand, are nothing. Just play what are you finding fun, not all the content are avaible to all players (same is for PVE if you think about it, 1000 voices, jotunn, etc...)

Just stick with the group and get some shots in, you don’t have to actually get the kill. Concentrate on staying alive not getting kills so much. Stay behind cover and other players, run away if you have to, just stay alive. Edit : Also age has little to do with anything. You telling yourself you won’t get better is your biggest obstacle. Just practice staying alive, the kills will come after

I don't have 1000 voices...you know why? Because I don't do Raids. Am I accepting of the fact I won't get this gun? F**k yes...life moves on. I hope that you do manage to get through the PvP quest steps. Then maybe you can make a new post saying[b] "Goodbye Bungie, I couldn't shoot the gun out of Enkaars hand. I'm really serious this time...I'm leaving!"[/b]

If you dont want to put in time to become a better PvP player then you're not going to want to put in the practice time for using the Last Word if you do manage to get it. It has a learning curve to it. I go negative when I try to use it and positive with a god rolled Trust. Dont worry about it and keep playing the game. The gun is only effective in the hands of D1 players who practiced hip firing over ADS anyway.

[quote]I am an older casual gamer who does not have the time or inclination to spend practising PVP against younger people who have better reflexes and skills than I will possibly ever have. I am OK with this, I do not even mind having 0.5 KD - yes, that is really how bad I am. I do not mind grinding out Crucible kills to further my progression and farm exotics, even though this probably takes me considerably longer than the average player. The long and the short of it is that I have no issue working towards something. I even think that making something difficult to get is good as it gives players a sense of achievement once it is accomplished and keeps most people interested in the game. What I do have an issue with is being "punished" because I am not that good. Today I decided to spend the afternoon farming Crucible to see how far I could get "The Temptation" quest step - 4 hours later I am on 3%. I peaked at 33%............. To me this is not fun at all, or feel like I am making any sort of progress and is the sole reason why I will no longer be supporting this game. I have played since D2 started, always bought the collectors editions, season passes etc. because my philosophy has always been to support games that I enjoy (I purchased every Prime pack in Warframe up until I stopped playing it - to come play D2 ironically) and have gladly spent cash on cosmetics etc in D2 to help support it. I am pretty sure you could give 2 hoots about the opinion of a single player, and probably care even less if you lose my couple £ per year, but I am just as sure that there are other people like me out there who have also stopped supporting this game because of this exact reason and if you keep alienating players you will eventually be left with none, and to be honest that would be really sad as I have always thought this could be a great game (even through "Curse".......) ===EDIT=== I think some people have missed my point. I actually enjoy being able to work towards something (PVE or PVP although I am more PVE to be honest) - I do not like to feel discriminated against because I am not as good at something. By the very nature of PVP it will take a player like me a lot longer to get any PVP achievements or rewards. I have no issue with that, but by adding in the negative aspect on the amount of times I will die, makes it no fun for me. Bungie have just chosen to ignore the type of gamer I am which is why I will find another game to spend my hard earned cash on. Its just sad for me because I really enjoy D2. You don't have to agree, that's why its called an opinion. You can also chose to be a dick in expressing yours, that's your right. === EDIT 2 === Just would like to say thank you to all who had constructive feedback even if you do not agree with me, and I am amazed at how much of a response this post has received. Its the positive people like you who make this community one of the better ones. Just understand this was written from a place of huge frustration with I game I absolutely love. I really do not want to be handed everything, working for rewards brings a sense of achievement from a hobby that people should be enjoying, and this specific mechanism (for me at least) took what should have been a fun Saturday afternoon and basically made it not fun. Farming AoS took me weeks because getting headshots in Crucible was difficult for me, but I never felt like I was being punished for not being good at PVP. This mechanic does make me feel that way. I still firmly believe that Bungie could do better with these mechanics, I mean there are some really talented people working there right? I don't think it would be that difficult for them to appeal to a much wider audience and at the end of the day the more people that play your game the more successful you are! The fundamental drive behind playing looter shooters is to get loot, so for me it would make sense to allow all the Exotics to be acquired via some sort of story driven quest at a base level - then offer appearances and upgrades/catalysts to people who are willing/able to farm the RAIDS or are hardcore PVP'ers as I think that would be way more rewarding for everyone. Maybe I am wrong, but once again, just an opinion.[/quote] Mate its a pvp gun thats only good in pvp it should have pvp requirements to get it

I would love to get it for you bud

Seeing a lot of people older than me (I'm in my foteys;)) makes me quite pleasantly surprised, as you give me hope I won't abandon gaming because of "it's the kid stuff" or something. As for PvP part, let me reassure you, you're not that bad! Why I'm saying this? Because I'm someone whose k/d is about 0.3. I won't get this new gun, but I don't care. The only gun that convinced me to jump in PvP was Ace of Spades and only because I like Cayde. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't even bother. I struggled at that quest. Not sure if because of age, military-inducted concussion, or too many pucks deflected with my helmet - not all of them willingly (hey, are there birds chirping?:)), or because my previous "quick" PvP game was Quake in previous century, but it was difficult for me. This is the reason why I gladly welcome options in quests (but I play a ton of RPGs). In our case - short and straightforward for those gud enuff, and long and grinding for those not interesting in getting gud for whatever reason. Yes, I managed, and technically it took only 6 hours, but those were most unpleasant hours I spent in Destiny. Even now, after countless grinding for Sleeper Nodes (got all 40 and all relevant Bray guns) or grinding for that bloody Osprey I still don't have (don't know how many strikes I ran, and don't want to, I hate that thing). Surely, after that quest completion PvP turns out to be better, as I had no goal there, but that's it. While I'm not as helpful as Aero9182 whose advices (along with advices from other people) helped me a lot to get Ace of Spades or knowledgeable as G0lden hunt3r who lend a hand in understanding of many things I don't get (some still don't:), but it's not his fault, I'm just stupid:D), if you are really that interested in this gun and you're on PC, let's try to cooperate. I'll serve as meat shield for you and you'll revenge for my guardian *grin*. It wouldn't be fast journey, but guns are main source of fun and entertainment in this game, and I do not understand why create unnecessary obstacles for audience. No gun turn abysmal PvP player such as I am into some xXxLeGeNdArYcRuShEr04 who one shots anyone from revolver across the map, so why some PvP habitués are so against making things more accessible for more casual gamers is beyond my understanding. After all, there are options in some quests, why not make them more widespread?

Dude not going to lie the only reason why I got this done was because i had time and friends there to act as meat shields

[quote]I am OK with this, I do not even mind having 0.5 KD[/quote] Dude, D2 has arguably the worst pvp for a FPS, Period. Judging skill in this is like judging a fish on its competency on a skills test that requires you to climb a tree. All the sweaties and try hardest who thrive in D2 pvp, tend to suck at all other shooters.

Hey brother I am 61 and play a lot. I am average at best at PVP with k/d of about 1.1. I tried to do the Last Word quest with quick play with no luck. It was up and down with little forward progress. Then I tried Mayhem . . . bingo . . . done in around 10 games. One Of the keys to getting it done there is don’t move forward until your super is fully charged. It makes a big difference . Also try to avoid roaming supers as you can get shut down in a second! Good luck!