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Bearbeitet von Lost Sols:
1/7/2019 1:24:44 AM
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Every Comp player who doesn't understand QP players wanting sbmm back need to watch this Brose_1 video on Comp matchmaking
Literally everything he describes as a problem and not being right or fair is what bronze, silver and gold QP players experience in 1 out of every 2-2.5 games.
Matchmaking needs fixed in BOTH playlists. It's not suddenly okay when you all are the ones on the winning side of broken.
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/250456324/0/0]QP numbers are -blam!-ed[/url]
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9 AntwortenHere he goes again... yet another daily thread whining about quickplay, it's becoming so tiresome. Just accept the change and move on, there are many more important issues that should be addressed right now.
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35 AntwortenThis guy makes a new post once a weak to cry about matching good players. Pretty sad
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4 AntwortenBungie should just remove Quickplay and Competitive PvP from the game just replace them with Mayhem and other fun based PvP modes (like scorched). PvP should only ever be a fun addition to this game and players should only treat it as pure fun. Screw the matchmaking and the obsession over balance. Just make it balls to the walls fun and random and people won't take it seriously enough to analyse and whine about it.
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2 AntwortenThe real question is [i]Why do people treat Destiny like it's some kind of actual pvp game? [/i]
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It's so funny that a game studio with, i'm assuming, 500+ very talented and smart developers, backed by a multi-billion dollar publisher can't get these basic things right. I mean, dude. Rocket League does a better job at match making. So does.... Overwatch(as clearly evidenced by the video above), Paladins, brawlhalla, battleborn did a good job till the playerbase collapsed, most of the MOBAs have it under control (because they would be completely unplayable without it). There's so many other studios that don't have this problem. There's so many other games that also don't have this problem. Destiny PvP has always been bad, and this just makes it worse. There's several reasons I left Destiny, this is one of them. Having a problem other AAA and even other indie games DON'T have, then doing nothing about it. That's in spite of having the money, time, power, and talent to fix it.
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10 AntwortenBearbeitet von pacificdune: 1/8/2019 4:58:37 PMI follow Brose’s channel, and have a lot of respect for what he does. He’s talking about comp, and I fully agree with what he is saying. He does not mention QP once. For the record, I run a clan that has about 250 active members all over the world. We have PvP subclans, raid subclans, and casual subclans. We have members that play solo, and members that play on teams. Never do I hear complaints about matchmaking in QP from any of my members, and my own personal experience is fine. Sure, I get stomped be a team of 6 every now and then, but I would rather have the occasional match like this than constant teleporting shotgunners. I’m no PvP god, but I support Bungie in their current QP matchmaking. Hats off for the positive changes keep up the good work.
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how can he say theres match making issues if he got 4400 solo cue in the comp playlist. a 4 man game mode. its made for a team of 4. yes at 3000 score solo cue is hard because at that point the lesser players have not made it.... yeah it happens. it happened to me we went in as a group of 3 and a level 10 on our team and lost by a point. i mean comp sucks. you never walk away going that was relaxing its not that type of game mode. he is right every loss hurts so much. and with no dedicated servers. outside of america im lucky if my not forgotten ever 3 taps because mag Howell dose not proc till the forth shot from lag. and yes i will match make and play with people from across the world because of my score or i may match people on my own server 2000 points bellow me. whats more fair when we both have the same gun but mine dose not work because of lag or when we play on even connection and we both have the opportunity to kill each other but i am a higher score. it can not be fixed because of the connection issues in the game. sbmm in quick play what ever. its the same thing isnt it pro or con. no mater what your skill you are asking for the same thing. 1 side is asking for a mechanic to be put in place so they can do better and the other is asking for it not to go in so theres a chance they do better. personally i solo cue when i play quick play so its a mixed bag if i win or lose. i try out weapons and i do what ever for fun. it is more upsetting to me if i see people telaport on my screen because they live in brazil. my shot gun wifs or i get zero aim assist. along with damage delay. and all the worst parts that makes the game feel really bad to play. but thats me i like the game to run properly. the weapons to work. im an above average player at best. comps a 4 man game mode play as a group of 4. just because someone has a lunas dose not mean you are in the wrong loby. it means someone may have spent ages in come to get it. and is at the exact skill level you are. doing quick maths if you win 2 games and lose 2 you gain points in comp. that means if you are average top 51% you can get lunas easily if you put in the time. it will take ages but its possible. the thing is though bungie wants everyone to have a 50% win ratio. so if you add in the sbmm its more like the top 70%
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3 AntwortenI watched that vid this morning, and he has some good points, but it's not very well supported or thought out beyond a couple of his own examples which are anecdotal at best. Where he does get it right is suggesting that Comp isn't really compatible with solo-queueing because so long as you are going in with less than a full team, then you're going to be subject to RNG matchmaking meaning you're letting the game decide in part whether you will win or lose. The solution to make competitive fair is either to restrict the playlist to 4-man teams like trials so that the scoring based on win/loss is fully owned by the individual and their own selection of teammates vs. RNG matchmaking, or alternatively rework glory scoring to assign at least some of the points based on individual performance (kills, assists, objective completions, etc.) vs. strictly on win/loss. Either of these would make the experience feel more fair to the player due to the assignment of points and impact on your rank being more equitable. In QP, there needs to be a little more emphasis on SBMM. As is it's completely non-existent. Bungie has the right idea by requiring a few quests which require PvP to give players a taste, however if that initial experience isn't good and players don't have a place to learn and practice against others at their relative skill/experience level then it's unlikely they'll stick with it and will resent future attempts to make them complete PvP quest objectives. By having little to no SBMM people are self selecting out of PvP and all that's going to be left at the top teir anyway, so I don't know why it matters to those at the top either way.
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7 AntwortenFound your problem: https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/xbl/LOSt%20sols
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If you have a win to loss ratio of around 50/50, then isn't the matchmaking doing exactly what you want allready?
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They should try to fix rank based matchmaking, not bring back skill based matchmaking.
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28 AntwortenY'all absolutely need to up vote this, sols is an og. He should work at bungie with cozmo. This game needs players like lostwing (only people who played D1 will get that reference). He/they cares about this game, this company. And so do you which is why every one should keep leaving feedback. ..... I can't wait until Bungies contract is up with Activision. Activation is the devil.
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5 AntwortenBearbeitet von D2_Dahaka_PAL: 1/7/2019 2:13:29 PMQP matchmaking is a disaster and the only ones who like it are the elitists such as those who frequent these forums - aka the vocal minority. Simple solution for those who don’t like it is to just not play. The only thing Bungo understands is numbers so unless they drop nothing will change. Posting on these forums does nothing. These forums are nothing more than a box to keep all the negativity safely hidden away from the majority of players who don’t post here. Bungo only cares about stats.
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62 Antworten[quote]Still at it huh? Embarrassing, stop thinking all playlists will revolve around you, you've got 3/4 playlists with sbmm, if you really wanted "fair and balanced matches" you'd spend time there but we all know what you want - a protective bubble matchmaking where everyones a winner and everyone has a 1.0 across all playlists because 75% of the pvp modes isnt enough for the crybaby force - I've played halo and other shooters all my life and can truthfully say you sbmm forumites are a brand new group of the saddest lot I've ever seen, no other gaming community cries because they sometimes match good players, smh. Thankfully bungie recognizes that removing sbmm brought back around 600,000 players in warmind and dont really care what 50 players want in comparison to that, this community has fought off sbmm not once but twice now - it'll never happen but by all means keep uselessly petitioning. At the end of the day qp is designed to find the fastest possible match - meaning you have a chance to face anyone and everyone, if you aren't willing to do that there are other playlists, but you sure as hell wont be catered to because you are unwilling to battle whoever you match.[/quote]
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11 AntwortenBearbeitet von doc: 1/8/2019 2:41:30 PMYou have not only confused Quick play with Competitive but you also referenced Bronze, silver and gold; which have nothing to do with anything in Destiny PvP. Destiny 2 problems are: P2P connections Sandbox tuning the wrong way on supers vs weapons Destiny 2 PLAYER problems are: -Solo que warrior ( It is 2019, there are thousands of people looking to join your group, use the internet)/ -Casual players who constantly bottom frag - Make friends and learn from them in private matches. -Team of casuals still getting stomped - Find a PvP community discord or reddit to feed off of with practice in private matches or even gambit. Players need to stop blaming other people for the mistakes they made that cost them the match, regardless if you think you never should of went against them (especially in competitive). Just learn from what you did wrong against them & use it against the next player or team. This is a very simple concept and Bungie makes Destiny very easy to have a "leg" up with the "meta" weapons so there is no reason everyone should be good; with it coming down to who it "hot" who is "not" during said match. The link below to help you understand a subject you have no clue about. [url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FRhtCN2bbjOh3od3GprSzdmNskwWGZo_/view]Player skill and match making[/url]
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MM in comp is absolute shit
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This video really breaks it down to a way even a baby shark could understand. https://youtu.be/XqZsoesa55w
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6 AntwortenThey had SBMM in quickplay in destiny 1 in rise of iron and it wasn’t fun. No one remembers how every damn quickplay match was literally a sweat. And in comp how do you balance a team quickly enough to make it worth playing and waiting for. Here’s my issue you have a team with one player having under 1000 glory and another with 3000, what team do you put against that? Brose solo cues comp at high glory. I get it believe me but when I solo cue I don’t expect much from my team mates. It’s my own fault for going into a competitive playlist half cocked.
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10 Antwortenat least this time you didn't pretend to be a statistician, you deferred to a Youtuber. yet the title alone tells you how ill thought out this is, competitive matchmaking is not what's wrong with Quickplay. nor is citing YouTube much of any help to credibility, especially so when the subject matter does not align. making one of these posts every few days is not going to make you a better player. spend less time crying here, and more practicing. losing a match doesn't make Bungie some evil corporation with ulterior motives forcing losses on you. it's a game, some you win some you lose, has no meaning on life what so ever, much like your thousands of crying posts about how bad you play.
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Comp matchmaking should be fixed so it’s not an absolute stomp for higher ups in teams. Quickplay does not need fixing. Cbmm is by far better than sbmm because it offers connection advantages as opposed to skill. Last few games I’ve played in quickplay HAVE been against stacked 6 man fireteams, yet I still manage to pull through. Iron banner was laggy and I can only imagine that’s the same issue for comp [spoiler]this is like you’re millionth post and bungie has not changed it. Any more posts and your time will be a waste[/spoiler]
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3 AntwortenIt's not the matchmaking that's boned so much, but the ranking system itself. It is neither granular enough to break down who should match with whom, but it also has no consideration of previous season performances integrated. As an example, if you are using a Not Forgotten, you should never have any business being below Fabled; you've obviously achieved the Legend rank weapon by hook or by crook. Putting you in the bottom rank for a few matches is a waste of your time, and essentially unfair to anyone you play. Increasing the skill-base in MM would be good, but only by a little. More to the point, go back to something similar to the Halo 3 0-50 system (never match someone more than 2 ranks lower or 3 ranks higher), and make people using Fabled weapons never match below Fabled, Legend weapons never match below Mythic or Legend. In QP, assume these are platinum and diamond tier players, respectively. Issue == solved. Too bad I don't think we have the PvP numbers to enforce something like that successfully.
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2 AntwortenBearbeitet von Crucify: 1/7/2019 5:49:53 PM
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8 AntwortenQP was never supposed to be SBMM. Sure it's supposed to have a SBMM element in the algorithm, but it was never supposed to be strictly skill-based. Comp is where the SBMM was supposed to be, but with the introduction of the Glory rank system, the algorithm broke there too. So now we have two broken game modes behaving in ways which only benefit better players. If anything, it's Comp that needs to be fixed though, not QP.
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4 AntwortenWell I don't think skill based matchmaking in comp would be a good idea. It would defeat the purpose of ranking up being a display of skill and everyone would end up having sweaty games and more or less 50% win ratio. However I do think someone with 0 glory and only a few games played shouldn't be in the same lobby as players ranks above.
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You cry babies are getting so annoying lately holy shit...
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Everything he stated is a comp problem. Not a QP problem. Try again.
