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Bearbeitet von Talk2MeToner:
1/3/2019 5:45:11 PM
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Let me make this clear, this isn't a PVP centric game
You might read the title and say some bs like "well it has pvp and competitive so why not..." I will address that shortly but first let me ask you something. Why out of every shooter on the market, all of which have PVP do you choose the loot shooter to be serious about pvp in? Seriously battlefield, CoD, Overwatch, everything else out as it comes to shooters is PVP based entirely. They don't have any serious PVE to focus on. Hell most of them barely have anything you could call a story anymore. All their eggs are in the pvp basket. Go there.
Now let me ask you why do you think Trials hasn't returned? Why do you think custom games haven't been seriously expanded on to at least reach Halo 2 or 3 levels which are games Bungie made 10 plus years ago and had better custom games? Why do you think when a new expansion is coming they show a bunch of story stuff, a raid teaser, a strike or two, and then maybe show off a pvp map along with a new exotic weapon or a cool armor set they want you to see? It's because the game is and should be PVE centric. It should and always will be the focus. In fact if D3 leaks are to be believed pvp might be open World only. Something I wanted since the beginning.
Stop banking on this games pvp. If that's seriously the "replayability" keeping you here you might as well quit. We have three different horde mode activities, 3 raids, 2 lairs, a dungeon and other things like the Whisper quest to replay. Not to mention strikes which I believe need some improving. PVP is a fun little side activity and that's it. They made competitive with hopes of Esports but that's a joke. It will always be a joke in a lootshooter game with inherent imbalance. Play it for fun. Don't take it so seriously and whine for nerfs.
Edit: a lot of butthurt as expected. I never said remove pvp. I said stop complaining, you can't even agree on the changes. All of a sudden some of you want shotguns gone again. In case you forgot people hated the two primary system which was created because of pvp whining. Same with making many abilities, grenades, melee, recharge rates all weaker. Same with strong exotic weapons.
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Theres more PvE content then pvp. Hell, pvp is like any else pvp, you shoot and have game modes. PvP meta is great right now and I am fine with it. Trials has not returned because its being worked for a better experince, Cozmo has been passing community thoughts over to the trials team lately.
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I agree with you somewhat, but who the -blam!- do you think you are? "Let me make this clear" Get out of here with that bullshit.
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1 AntwortenNah, I prefer Destiny’s PvP over many others. Just because other games focus more on PvP doesn’t mean I enjoy them more. I don’t play Destiny’s PvP just because it’s multiplayer, there are many other reasons. The gunplay, variety of weapons, abilities, and aesthetics are all things I enjoy. That’s my two cents.
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5 AntwortenPvp is the only thing keeping this game alive. You can only play so many strikes, forges, raids ect ect before the game is stale and boring. Pvp makes me log in every now and then. I wish bungie would make a stand alone pvp game. Put in a battle royale with base weapons like fortnite did, But each class has a super ability that is different. Play as sweeper bot, or any of the 100s of characters from the game (sold cheaper than fortnite characters). Plus add trials and all the other game modes people love. I think if bungie done this, the game would have more regular players than they do on their "pve" based game. Cause this pve game is a cluster -blam!-. I still have zero clue wtf I am doing on this game. The story is terrible. When this game was promoted it talked about a traveler and getting inside of it. Now we are skipping to all these other locations. There is dark ships, shitty enemies, we have to slam dunk orbs, run around circles, throw orbs at pillars.. WTF is this? The story of destiny that is in the "lore" is terribly explained in the game. I still really like the game though. Bungie done it good by bringing what they did with forsaken. D2 was dogshit at launch. There shouldn't be a D3. But what they should do is make a Destiny:Universe expansion that allows all of D1 to be unlocked, while also adding some new content to the game. So its just this massive massive game to explore and play in. Keep it all in one location will make this game way better. (I miss a lot of D1 stuff, strikes, pvp maps, weapons, armor ect ect) Put dedicated servers in the game too. Unlock the traveler, let us customize our character better, Bring a shoot looter raid to the game that don't stop every 10 min to throw orbs and do other stupid shit that requires you to over think the process. I got side tracked.. to early :p
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1 Antworten[quote]Let me make this clear, this isn't a PVP centric game[/quote] someone should tell Bungie that.
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1 AntwortenPVP is an endgame activity. Especially for competitive. Getting Not Forgotten takes time, strategy, meeting new people, having map knowledge, and is far harder than any raid. Destiny is whatever game you make it, you can raid all day or PvP all day.
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3 AntwortenIf they were to remove the entirety of pvp for intergalactic space battles with our ships I would be so down for that
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If they include pvp in open world in D3 it will destroy what destiny represents and if bungie & activison are that stupid of going down that path then they deserve everything they get including bankruptcy because it will be the final nail in the coffin for this franchise
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3 AntwortenI’ll tell you why they chose d2: they suck at actual balanced pvp games but because destiny is so unconventional they are able to do well. Especially on console, because it’s literally hardscoping lanes, not getting flanked, and letting aim assist hit headshots for you.
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Only reason I'm still here is because of PVP. PVE ain't that great with black armory because those quest are tedious as -blam!-.
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36 AntwortenThis game would have been much better if PvP were never part of it. Focus on one thing Daniel San! Plenty of PvP based titles to play. And Destiny doesn't have/need to be the only game people play. Just my opinion, we all have one.
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34 AntwortenBearbeitet von Hexi: 1/2/2019 11:59:41 PMYup. The game would be infinitely better and more popular if they focused on PvE instead of making a game that is 99% PvE, and the ruin it by balancing the game around PvP. It's beyond idiotic. But that is Retardvision, gotta tick that box on the feature checklist that the market analysts compiled. Even though they've never even turned on a computer or a console themselves in their entire lives. But all these idiots at marketing will be fired when the industry crash is done and studios remember that they are making GAMES instead of filling out feature checklists.
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11 AntwortenThe simple reason those who play pvp in Destiny dont play BF, COD, PubG, Fortnite, etc is because they would get smoked. Those games don't have weapon advantages, level advantages or super powers to fall back on. Everything is equal except for the skill factor.
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6 Antwortenhttps://warmind.io/activity Combine that with daily PvP player numbers (currently stuck on DT sadly, same figures for several days) and the reality is quite a lot of D2 players play a very small amount of PvP, with there being only a very small amount of very vocal players who bank on PvP for their continued attachment to D2*. PvP has never and will never be the main appeal of a game like Destiny, and throughout Destiny's history PvP has NEVER kept the game alive. *Why anyone would play D2 for PvP is baffling...but that's another debate, albeit a fittingly pointless one.
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Agree, yet Bungie keep trying to refocus players on PvP as evidenced through their clan bounties and last season's dearth of "pinnacle" content in PvE. Why is that? It would seem that Bungie need to give up on the PvP tip and refocus on what is supposed to make this game great, the story and all the potential they've built up on the PvE side of the house. Their 10-year plan wasn't for PvP.
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2 AntwortenI only play this game for the pvp, never found pve fun or useful (besides occasional loot)... I play this game mostly for fun, I may “sweat” but this game shouldn’t be a focus of one or the other, they need to have different departments of Bungie to work on different things so the both sides have what they both ask for
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Im pve but having pvp in D2 is a good pass time and it does keep players invested in the game, now dont get me wrong pvp does put a strain on the pve element on the game with weapon and armour nerfs that really hinders your experience when fighting pve enemys, but does it brake the game no, it makes the pve side more challenging for you and your friends which is a good thing in so many ways, so instead of charging out in to battle like a nut case and getting your team wiped out, you instead have to assess the terrain and work together as one. Basically what im saying is pvp is not a bad thing it makes the game more challenging for pve players to over come, i like the idea of a challenge and if you dont then this game isn't for you.
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I think if people enjoy PvP then they should be allowed to play it. I personally think PvP is in a really good spot and I agree that this isn’t Overwatch or CoD but I don’t believe it was ever marketed like that. For me, PvP is just another element of the game where I can spend my time and hope to improve, just like Gambit and PvE. There will always be improvements that are possible and Bungie will never appease everyone but taking components out of the game would be a big mistake.
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I'm just going to voice a thought here. If Destiny was primarily PvP focused, it would be properly balanced and share a range of gametypes that could be selected separately. It's so imbalanced and incomplete that its generally viewed as a joke to some AAA titles. While I hate drip style content releases, Destiny has a decent narrative going along side of some obtainable lore tabs. I can understand the idea of it being mostly PvP because of the slow dripping of content and the need of something to pass the time. But saying that Destiny is primarily PvP while disregarding the PvE world in its entirety is a thoughtless jab of stupidity. If PvE content was released on a very good basis and or had a better engagement of replayability, and along side of regular monthly sandbox changes / additions in Crucible, PvE would still have a decently large lead. There are my two cents, good day.
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Finally! Someone gets it.
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7 AntwortenIt does seem that a real mental health hazard develops among most PVP players. Behavior such as severe narcissism, psychotic rage and schizophrenic episodes are routinely exhibited on this very forum, overwhelmingly manifested by many members of the community who claim to be primarily PVP players. Removing PVP from Destiny may actually cause harm to society, as Destiny PVP players will come to focus 100% of their mental illness into the real world, instead of only about the current 20% approx. It may be best to just put up with the current level of mental illness from PVP players, who like to blindside innocent PVE players by punching them and shooting at then during PVE play, to save the general public from their harmful illness. There really may be no hope for the ill folks who play Destiny PVP and leaving them alone may be the only solution.
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Is this the PvP baddie warcry 🤣
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PvP as an E-sport, nah. However Crucible is a blast in this game for one simple reason only... SPACE MAGIC!!
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I like the games pvp. But with forsaken I haven't had time to touch pvp with the amount of stuff to do in the pve side itself. I play on weekends mostly and a few hours everyday barring some days. Even then my highest character is just 610. I imagine most hardcore players will simply blow through this content pretty easily and will want the pvp aspect.
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pvp can be in this game. i see no reason to completely remove it. however, they need to stop focusing on making it a competitive environment. destiny will never go anywhere competitively. that’s what was so good about destiny one’s early pvp. it felt like a pvp meant for this game. it was chaotic and fun. the only problem were a few guns. but instead of just fixing those guns, they turned it into a never ending cycle of searching for balance and never hitting the mark. then we ended up with destiny 2(vanilla) we all know how that was. it was literally a pve game that was balanced around a pvp philosophy. that must never happen again. i’m sick of people thinking this game is some kind of competitive game that will make people give a crap about you if you pad your stats. look at all these people who care about their stats. from k/d to raid report red dots to gambit leaderboards, i’ve seen it all. i’m sorry to inform you, but nobody cares.
