I know everyone has probably seen the stories circulating today about how Destiny 2’s sales are not meeting Activision’s expectations in spite of the up tick created by Forsaken. So I’d like to take this opportunity to point out why I think that is, so here goes:
[u]1) Destiny 2 is still not as good as Destiny 1. [/u]
Destiny 2, like any good sequel, should’ve taken the solid foundation of Destiny 1, and built upon it to make a game that was bigger and better than its predecessor in every way. Instead Bungie opted to do a soft reboot and destroy everything fans loved about the first game, only to spend the next year slowly trying to fix the game.
Forsaken is a major improvement over Destiny 2 year 1 in a lot of ways (but not all), but it’s still a shadow of Destiny 1. A lot of the things that were brought back don’t completely fit. Snipers still feel underused in spite of their return to the special slot (and addition to the primary slot). Bounties feel mostly pointless with the exception of the dreaming city bounties. The mods are still meh. Masterwork cores are far too rare and so having a fully masterworked piece of gear is rare and honestly doesn’t feel worth the amount of materials it takes to do so.
[u]2) First impressions are everything. [/u]
Anyone who paid attention to the lead up to the launch of the PS4 and Xbox One back in 2013 knows how bad word of mouth can completely destroy a product. Microsoft was set to release an Xbox One that featured an always online requirement, the inability to trade or loan games to friends or family and no used games. As we all know Microsoft eventually pulled a 180 on these things and shipped the Xbox One with none of those features in the final version of the console, but the damage was already done.
I remember watching a video online of someone from IGN (I believe) going around campuses and on the street asking regular people if they knew anything about video games and if they’d heard of the Xbox One and the most common response was, “that’s the one that doesn’t play used games, right?”. This was AFTER Microsoft had reversed all of those decisions, but it didn’t matter, word of mouth had already spread and there was no going back.
The same thing happened with Destiny 2. Once fans realized what Bungie had done to their beloved series and the backlash began, so did the word of mouth. I still come across people that say things that, “Destiny 2? Didn’t they screw the game up?”. Honestly there’s no going back at this point, they just need to make sure that Destiny 3 is a grand slam.
[u]3) The raids just aren’t as good as Destiny 1[/u]
All of Destiny 1’s raids are better than Destiny 2’s. You can say that this is opinion, and technically it is, but it’s an opinion shared by the numbers. Last Wish has the lowest completion rate of any Destiny raid and I believe it’s because people are intimidated by it (it took Redeem 24 hours to complete it).
The raids in Destiny 2 are way too mechanics heavy. Too much time is spent trying to remember odd symbols or trying to make sure everyone is in a specific place. King’s Fall was a master stroke of raid design. The perfect balance of bosses, jumping, shooting things and puzzles. Same goes for VoG. Crota’s End and WotM were less puzzles and mechanics and more bosses and shooting guys in the face, but if you have to lean more one way than the other, leaning more into the action is always the better bet. At the end of the day the Destiny 2 raids just aren’t as inviting or fun as Destiny 1’s.
[u]4) The gear isn’t as good[/u]
I had high hopes for the exotics in Forsaken and while some are really great, many leave us reminiscing on the amazing exotics of Destiny 1. First off, rocket launchers are trash in Destiny 2. There’s no other way to say it. Even the Two Tailed Fox was a major letdown. Tracking sucks. They all hold 1 rocket before needing to reload. They just aren’t fun.
And why is it that to this day, the majority of the best exotics to ever appear in Destiny were in the base game? The Taken King has a few good ones, but if you ask someone to make a list of their top ten favorite weapons or armor from Destiny 1 or 2, chances are good that most will be Destiny 1 launch items. And I think this is because before the game came out Bungie wasn’t afraid to make gear that was amazing and super fun to use and worth grinding for. It was when they decided to start nerfing everything that things started going down hill. It really says something when all of the best exotics in Destiny 2 are returning Destiny 1 exotics.
[u]5) Destiny 2 should never have been made.[/u]
Destiny should’ve been like WoW. No new numbered games, just expansions that build upon the foundation of the original game. Bungie’s reluctance to simply go back to the systems that everyone loved in Destiny 1 is a problem. I can understand not wanting to revisit what’s already been done from a design standpoint, but it’s also important to be able to realize when you made a mistake by changing something, and recognizing that maybe you need to to reset back to that original system
In order to properly improve upon it.
The weapon slot system is a good example of this. In Destiny 1 it was a perfect system that made sense. But while Forsaken’s system is a major improvement over Destiny 2’s horrible system, Bungie’s unwillingness to fully revert to Destiny 1 leaves this weird system that that tries to be everything to everyone but ultimately feels out of place. In Destiny 1 having the one off exotic that was a special but sat in the primary slot or elemental primaries felt really special and fun.
I know I went long on this but Destiny is my favorite game series and Bungie my favorite game developer and so I really want to see Destiny succeed. But there have been a lot of disappointing mistakes made in recent years to Destiny that I really hope Bungie is able to learn from.
I quit playing Destiny 2 a few weeks ago once I hit 600 because the only thing I had left to pursue were the Forsaken exotics and considering that since Forsaken’s launch I’ve had maybe 10 exotics drop and not a single one was a Forsaken exotic, I didn’t see any point in wasting time grinding for them any longer. And that really sucks to say.
At this point Bungie is going to have to learn how to fix Destiny themselves.
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4 AntwortenIt took redeem 18 hours
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https://www.destructoid.com/activision-says-that-destiny-2-forsaken-under-performed-core-player-base-hasn-t-reengaged-530611.phtml
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Forsaken is perfection minus the exotic dupe screwup- which was a HUGE screwup. Too bad they took something so integral to Destiny and completely changed it without a heads up to the community.
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Bearbeitet von Quaddity: 11/9/2018 2:52:03 PMAll the fault is on Bungie. Destiny 2 should never have been released as a bare bones game with everything nice about D1 Y3 taken away. Why the D2 design group changed so much I don't understand. I have to give them credit for Forsaken it brought me back to the game after months of not playing it. I just yesterday hit 600, did the shattered throne for the first time, got Wish Ender, etc. But this annual pass thing makes me think I'll go back to not playing again soon as there won't be enough to make me want to play. I definitely will not be pre-ordering D3 because I feel like they will follow their same plan of rushing a bare bones game out, putting out 2 sub par DLCs as a season pass, then actually fixing the game 1+ years later. As a developer myself their UI design is so poor for such a large company I just don't get it. Selling shaders with not enough storage (still!) for the base game's amount of shaders and then until recently no way to delete them quickly just makes me doubt Bungie's ability to do anything right the first time.
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4 Antworten"Microsoft was set to release an Xbox One that featured an always online requirement, the inability to trade or loan games to friends or family and no used games. As we all know Microsoft eventually pulled a 180 on these things and shipped the Xbox One with none of those features in the final version of the console" Please clarify what this means? are you saying the original xbox one doesnt have "trade or loan games to friends or family and no used games" Only asking because the OG xbox one had all of those features on release if not essentially a replica of said feature. Also as for "IGN (I believe) going around campuses and on the street asking regular people if they knew anything about video games and if they’d heard of the Xbox One and the most common response was, “that’s the one that doesn’t play used games, right?” this was found to be staged as a method of counter advertising due to IGN being extremely biased in favor of Sony/Playstation and the COD series. Always online features are up to the individual games and their creators, not the xbox or PS3/4 consoles.
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To be honest I don’t think of destiny 1, yes destiny 2 when it came out was a car crash of a game . Now though it’s getting interesting, there are quests and a dlc coming up soon so looking forward to that! For me it’s never been about the 600 level ...it’s been the journey and it’s been great . I’m going for the dredgen title and still haven’t done the last wish raid...I know!
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4 AntwortenTotally agree with the raid points. That's why I haven't raided much. Just don't enjoy the content. Seems like they are running out of ideas so just make things super complex.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von GouldBerg988: 11/9/2018 10:57:55 AMIts refreshing to find a balanced take on D2 on this forum. Neither butthurt nor honeymoondrunken Congrats, doing that. Very good analysis on the paralells between Microsoft/Xbox and Bungie/D2, The only assessment I don`t agree with is your opinion that the weapon system in D1 was at any point better , I think that in this case "nostalgia" distorts your opinion all the other points are spot on.
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Preach all that but Expect all the same in the next instalment D3 put many hours in really enjoyed it but bungie and Activision getting worse things there doing putting me off buying D3 when it releases
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7 AntwortenY1 D2 was better than the whole of D1
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1 AntwortenGreat post. 👍
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honestly my blind run of leviathan was pretty fun. the mechanics werent too bad
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6 AntwortenWe can see your game history. You didnt quit weeks ago. You played a couple days back. You are not going anywhere anytime soon it appears.
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They expected too much. Sure it’s a huge improvement from where the game was, but a lot of people aren’t willing to jump right back in. They need consistency for about a year before a lot of people who were disappointed by D2Y1 will return
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I think Destiny 2 is better than Destiny 1 as of now... At least for me as a casual.
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3 AntwortenYou didn't come anywhere near completing destiny2.
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covers it.