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10/31/2018 9:43:45 PM
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But having to 2-phase her the way the fight was designed would make her too much like Oryx. And that was so gosh darn difficult, wasn't it.
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  • 2 phase her? After the normal encounter plays we just use the Cluster Strat to 1 phase her. The entire raid is easy as fück. That’s why I use the Cluster Strat when doing it cause it’s not a fun raid, AT ALL. And what I said is true. A strategy that requires Buffs and D-buffs is a real thing in a RPG game. That’s what players are doing to Riven. They aren’t exploiting anything except Bungie’s obvious lack of skill in raid design. But, to quote you, keep telling yourself that.

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  • Bearbeitet von Nox Lumina: 10/31/2018 9:55:06 PM
    Not fun? Are you like, one of those weirdos who thinks Wrath was anywhere near "good"? Or "servicable", even?

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  • 1: Wrath Mechanic wise, it was great. The raid itself was also boring. 2: Crota. Boring. 3: Atheon. ‘‘Twas ok. 4: Oryx raid was probably the best preformed raid in the entire franchise. It kept you on your feet with great mechanics. 5: LW is just super static and not challenging. Kalli - You stand on a plate. You stand in the middle. You stand in a door. Etc. Suro - You super everything then you stand on plates, stand in middle, blast away and repeat until puzzle room which revolves around standing. Morgeth - More standing and shooting. Vault - The least static encounter and enjoyable. Makes you think and act quickly. Riven - More standing and shooting then you drop down a hole and do it again. 6: Leviathan is probably the best mechanic raid we have. It keeps you on your toes literally the entire time. The only problem with Levi is that it came out at D2 launch when everything in the game was shit.

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  • [quote]Oryx raid was probably the best preformed raid in the entire franchise. It kept you on your feet with great mechanics.[/quote] Great mechanics? Enh.. [quote]5: LW is just super static and not challenging.[/quote] ..like King's fall. [quote]Kalli - You stand on a plate. You stand in the middle. You stand in a door. Etc.[/quote] Then you couldn't of liked Totems in King's fall because this is literally totems in king's fall. [quote]Suro - You super everything then you stand on plates, stand in middle, blast away and repeat until puzzle room which revolves around standing.[/quote] This fight was more tense than Warpriest though. Warpriest you literally just kill adds until knights spawn, find out which order plates need to be stepped on, then go to that correct plate and then stand in one spot and do dps. That's the entire fight. [quote]Morgeth - More standing and shooting.[/quote] Golgoroth. If you're doing the cluster strat, I'm sure you also did the one bubble strat. Which was.. Lol, more standing and shooting. [quote]Riven - More standing and shooting then you drop down a hole and do it again.[/quote] Vault can be compared to the sisters encounter. They both revolve around getting a buff and cleansing a correct objective. However, I enjoy vault more because of the soundtrack and mechanics in general, and the fact that I had many sister runs ruined because someone didn't know how to platform. Still salty. The entire riven fight has been jeopardized by the cluster bomb thing, so we can't really compare it off of experience. But she's just like Oryx though. We did dps to Oryx by staggering him and detonating ogre bombs, and we do dps to riven by shooting the correct eyes and shooting her taken pimples. Sorry. I just found it funny how you said you liked kings fall but last wish was boring, but I mean, they're kinda the same.

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  • I just didn’t feel like explaining why I enjoy Kings Fall more. Also, DPS phase has always been just standing and shooting but Last Wish does it way more not on DPS phase then Kings Fall. 1: First part of Kings Fall is alright. Running and grabbing balls. I actually enjoyed this cause there were always complications and they were hilarious lmao. 2: The jumping puzzle was enjoyable. Especially when watching others fail at simple jumps. 3: Totems were ok cause it’s coordinated and actually has a difficult Knight when unprepared for it. It keeps you moving as well as call outs that are actually used. VS Kalli where you just stand on a plate and if the knight catches you off guard you can easily escape and heal cause the plate is no longer needed. Then you head to DPS which is fine. 4: War Priest. As someone who never sat back but actually pushed were the adds spawn it was incredibly fun making my partner useless. And after DPS the boss even got harder to survive. This boss wasn’t actually that good but still needed people to pay attention. VS Suro where you super adds and there’s no penalty like Warpriest if you don’t have your super at the DPS step. The plates are actually a cool concept but there way to simplistic for my taste. 5: Nice little maze where everyone had a good laugh. Also has a nice secret puzzle. 6: Golg was fun when you pushed the adds and didn’t sit back with a scout. DPS phase was pretty bland. All around an ok encounter just like Morgeth you just play with their balls. VS Morgeth where you stand and kill adds. Moving is pointless and puts you at a disadvantage. The Cleansing part is actually pretty cool and unique compared to past cleansing. DPS is cool too cause there’s plant Of ways to do it. Golg beat Morg on non-DPS phase while Morg beats Golg on DPS phase. 7: Dildo wall was a blast. You can’t even deny. Everyone had fun and there was more then one way to get through it. Had a secret chest and a hidden room that was incredibly difficult to get to. 8: Sisters was fun and it had like 3 different strats. VS Vault. Vault wins. No contest. 9: Oryx. Running was the best. Killing the Knights was also fun, especially killing the other guys too and he’s like “wtf?” Even the middle guys had fun. DPS was actually stressful sometimes. VS Riven. You clear the room. Call the symbols and do the eyes. Dodge the attacks and do the symbols. Reappear again. Do DPS. Or you can Cluster Strat. It’s cool we have two different strats and it’s the second best part of the raid but it’s not exactly enjoyable. More stressful then anything.

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