so that's the one thing you take from my post? i said "even the raid wasn't available right out the gate" which is a true statement. Destiny released on the 9th. the raid was a few days later. as for VIRTUALLY(which i also said in my first response) everything else you batched about, it wasn't in the base game. they added it over time through various expansions. some of it was even free, which is likely to be the case this time around as well. if you want to quit playing, go for it. i'm sure you no-lifed your way to three 305's already (i have only just barely gotten ONE to 305 a few days ago because i have a life outside of destiny) so why are you still around?

I enjoy pvp it says it in topic body. Additionally I have a life outside of destiny. I have a family and a full time job working in NYC as a mechanical engineer. Finally, asking someone to compare D2 launch to D1 launch is like asking someone to compare lauch The Burning Crusade to launch Vanilla World of Warcraft... just makes absolutely no sense. They are called sequels and expansions for a reason.

as i said to acid below, you two are better people than i. i childishly resorted to finger pointing and name-calling (essentially) and the both of you were mature/adult enough to not only ignore it but come back with legitimate arguments. i'm just going to stay off the message boards since i -apparently- can't disconnect my personal identity from my love of destiny.