Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know.
After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort.
I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed.
[b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b]
I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game.
[u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u]
On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend.
If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2?
[b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b]
[1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter
[2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability
[3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2]
[4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game
[5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse
[6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse
[7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse
[8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days
[9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options
[10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options
[11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court)
[12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique
[13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame
[14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc).
[15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.)
[16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan
[19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity
[20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid
[21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist
[22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on
[23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur
[24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE
[25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge
[26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game
[27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model
[28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class
[29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless
[30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds)
[31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year
[32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless
[33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away
[34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better
[35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.
TL:DR
The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual.
Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.
EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much!
EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here ——
I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL.
[b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.
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It makes little sense to build a game for the casuals , where all the best guns are easily acquired . No end game activity gives any advantageous armour or guns. Then keep the same -blam!-in piss os shit peer to peer server setup. The whole argument of an even playing field has to be based upon even dedicated servers , or what’s the -blam!-in point.
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1. Power level matters, just less. 3. Way less than that, though some are stronger than others. 5 and 7. Holliday sells them as well. 10. PvP's problems aren't the result of numbers. 11. You sure of that? It took quite awhile to discover that basketball court. 12. A lot of them need work, you're right. But there are some really cool ones, too. 16. Vault of Glass was the first raid ever. And while it was excellent, and maybe better than Leviathan, I don't think the difference is that great. 17. Crota was an inflated strike. 18. King's Fall was the worst raid of the five. 20. But it's a fun gameshow. 24 and 25. There was no arena in Destiny 1 until the second DLC dropped. D2 has other activities now; an arena may be in the future. 31. Not everyone is as good at PvP as you are. Most of my clan struggle in it. 32. False. They're great for characters who are still leveling up. 34 and 35. Subjective. But the rest of it... yeah, you're right. The game took some backward steps. Here are some of mine. 36. I can't believe that Bungie went through so much effort creating a halfway decent Destiny story... and had its principal character be a silent and noninteractive LUMP in every cutscene. 37. I can't believe that the only DLC with a coherent and compelling plot effectively ceased to exist when Iron Banner came around. 38. I CAN believe that the Crucible has become a teamshot fest for most players. I'm glad I suck so much at it, because I sometimes get stuck in matches where I can lonewolf it. Of course, if I have a good match, I can expect to get creamed by teamshooters for awhile, until the SBMM realizes that NO, Oddish43 is NOT a good Crucible player.
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This was perfect
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1 AntwortenI like it
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1 AntwortenGood stuff. I've been on since the alpha and very disappointed in d2. I dnt even get on that much anymore. I might get on if anyone in my clan is on. Most get on to do the weekly stuff and that takes a couple hrs tops. Then there's nothing to do after. Raid is pointless and it feels like you do stuff for no reason. The rewards aren't even good or there at all. I get it's still the base game but hell didn't they learn from the first game !! I love destiny and made a lot of good friends on there but the game isn't what it use to be. I hope things change for the better.
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2 AntwortenYou know you don't [i]have[/i] to play games that you don't enjoy? You can take the disc out, put it back in three months later and be just fine. You don't have to act as though you need to be fully committed to the game or completely separate from it. That's not healthy. Take a step back from it, focus on something else that matters and come back in January. Maybe things will be different, maybe they won't but at least you won't be surrounding yourself with something that causes friction.
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1 AntwortenAdmittedly, played hundreds of hours on D1(maybe you guys as well). Had fun for a while on D2 alone and with buddies but I agree with those issues mentioned. They are pulling the game backwards and I'm slowly losing motivation to play. I'll still play D2 just to make other games I have look more fun or whenever I'm bored. Let's hope light arrives later or sooner otherwise the darkness will forever consume us...
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This game is sad D1>D2
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These are the types of posts that cozmo should reply to and address. Now I know that he doesn’t control everything about the game but at least we will know that they are acknowledging these things.
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1 AntwortenAll the things you talk about will be added back as "new content" in 4 dlc's of D2. Bungie is going to completely mold D2 in the image of D1 and call it a sequel. They are genius for taking 1 game and making it 2. Millions just like us fell into their trap.
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2 AntwortenSucks even more being a long-time Bungie fan.
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Give this man a medal. Every concern I have is here bar one: There's really only 5-6 unique models per armour set, it's all bloody reskins. It's not like they don't have the money or the talent, they're just being lazy.
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von Natastrophe: 10/20/2017 12:41:42 AMI actually heard a legit reason why a lot of this happened. Apparently, since D2 was developed over the last 2 years while a number of improvements were being made to D1 and since they were separate development teams, the D1 improvements were not implemented into D2. Note, I am not saying that's an excuse. I was just curious why D2 is so crappy compared to D1 and lacking so much from the original and this explains it to a degree.
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2 AntwortenD1 Beta vet. Sadly I agree with all of this.
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Yeah no this game -blam!-ing sucks
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von Spendgame: 10/20/2017 1:06:01 AMDestiny is now a straight forward, linear story based game with limited replayability and tacked on MP with functionality more than a decade behind its competitors. If this is the game you think is going to draw the casual masses bungie then...good luck with the job search!
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1 AntwortenI'm not even bothered to do the raid since I completed it once (I felt really bored playing it and seems like a job rather than something to be enjoyed); from Destiny 1 I was doing raids and completing them at least 2-3 times per week. Rip bungie
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1 AntwortenIt's crazy to me that for all of Destiny 1 I played only a handful of hours of other games(Diablo 3) and this close after launch I'm choosing to play the Xbox free game Fortnite BR and that I am enjoying it so much more. Crazy.
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I love [20] I feel like destiny is one in game social experiment of some kind. Ie as you mentioned "game show" nothing more. I also like that you pointed out and noticed that even the casual players feel it's to casual.👍🏼 Also every other point is spot on, I've been with destiny since beta myself as a casual player. Advocated and hated this game for and against but I've never in my 20 years of gaming seem a forum board rock a titles head as this community has. Much frustration has been noticed disappointment had. The game looks beautiful while being highly highly misleading. Those advocating in defense seem to lack ANY MMO/RPG experience because this is not how it's done and I try not to blame bungie, I personally blame [b]Activision[/b] as I did noticing the decline in the call of duty franchise, it's all in trends and you trace those trends to the 1 single common denominator. Cheers guardians
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Bearbeitet von Unforgiven: 10/20/2017 12:35:22 AMWittle baby scrapped his knee. Mommy will put your favorite Mickey Mouse bandage awww. My baby. You need a little kiss for it too? God forbid that a video game would upset my wittle bunzhunz. Awww. Don't play these games that upset my hunny bunny. My hunny bunny is upset. Awww. If hunnybuns wouldn't play so many video games for so long, such games that upset him then mommy wouldn't have to constantly shit on him for it. I feel a little dirty now after writing that. I will go wash my hands. Wait did you write that Exotics look unique,feel unique but don't act unique? This has to be the biggest bitch post I ever seen. Holy shit.
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I know I bought D1 the game as soon as soon as it came out I did all the raids and Shit i don't even know how many -blam!-ing times I bought All DLC as soon as they came out and your right if the new DLC doesn't doesn't include a raid and a token and loot system the game is going to die
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4 AntwortenYou clearly haven't gotten friendship to drop yet.
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It's crazy how game developers are allowed to release a game that plays nothing like the trailers. Marketing a game that doesn't even come close to what is promised.
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I mostly agree, I spent 2000+ hours on D1 but I really can't see myself doing this for D2. It really doesn't have the hook of D1.
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4 AntwortenYep, realized I don't care about anything you say, I'm still enjoying this game with my buds.