Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know.
After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort.
I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed.
[b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b]
I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game.
[u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u]
On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend.
If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2?
[b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b]
[1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter
[2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability
[3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2]
[4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game
[5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse
[6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse
[7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse
[8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days
[9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options
[10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options
[11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court)
[12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique
[13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame
[14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc).
[15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.)
[16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan
[18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan
[19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity
[20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid
[21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist
[22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on
[23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur
[24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE
[25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge
[26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game
[27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model
[28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class
[29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless
[30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds)
[31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year
[32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless
[33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away
[34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better
[35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.
TL:DR
The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual.
Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die.
EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much!
EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here ——
I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL.
[b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.
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Bearbeitet von indielablp: 10/20/2017 2:58:55 AMWhat did Bungie do in 3 years!? Think about this deeply. All weapons are fixed and all armor is simply cosmetic with a copy and paste mobility, resilience and recovery stat. All vendors and all vendors for events from Vanguard, crucible to faction and Ib all have the cut and paste method of tokens and loot. The landscape is beautiful but not much different in terms of D1 geometry. No New enemies and slight variances of ai movement. No real true subclasses but tweeked ones. So many reskins and lackluster rolled weapons. Cooldowns and ability strength is awful. Ammo economy is awful.vMost weapons and exotic armor pieces are literally reskins of d1 but most have had there perks removed or dumbed down. The story was better then d1 simply because it was coherent and more cut scenes. Everything in this game has been simplified so much I can't really understand how this is the finished product of 3 years. D1 had so many more offerings in such unique ways and had loot that felt earned. We dont even have any secrets like d1 had, no black spindle type things. No strike specific loot and prestigious raid offers a FUKN ORNAMENT!! In d1 we got exclusive unique armor and weapons for the hardest content. There were secrets everywhere and very desirable loot at the end of it. We had so many perks in d1 and d2 feels like nothing but lackluster perks. There is so much wrong with D2 that I dont see a way back. Luke and bungie vocally are standing behind these cganges and think they delivered a game better then d1. Its really sad at this point and I too have defebded bungie all these years and am done with this game. I cant beleive the massive disconnect and the massive dissapoint d2 is. Destiny is long gone and I am devastated! All hope is lost for me and D2 just confirmed the unthinkable.
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4 AntwortenThey left those things out so they can add them back in later and say "See! We listened!" and all the YouTube and Twitch channels will rejoice and talk about how Bungie loves their community and has the best community etc etc. Bungie has no passion. If they did we would have an in-game codex at the very least. They would proud to show off the lore and have depth that hardcore players could sink themselves into. But, instead we have what we have.
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35 shades of -blam!-ing crazy ...
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Destiny has had so many problems since day one. We hoped it would be a game that it never truly will be. Now what have they done? Downgraded even further. I’ve already pre-ordered the DLCs so Bungie has by the end of those to change my mind. Otherwise: I’m just waiting a few years to buy the games really cheap or used just to see what became of this sad story. But I will not pay full price and spend so much time just to feel like I’m doing chores instead of having fun. Never again.
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1 AntwortenMan... you guys remember when D1 was a grind and didnt hand out trophies to everyone. Shiiiit... i remember.
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Welcome to enlightenment. Please join us in waiting, without holding our breath, for Bungie to join us.
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I just want to be able to kill red bar adds in HM without shooting it 1.5 -> 2 mags of primary. I want my health to start recovering less then 60s when I'm running 7 or more recovery. I want to not feel like a slug when I run and jump. I know tall order, but that would be a good place to start. Also PVE wise most of the content is too easy there should be a way to play on a higher difficulty..
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So many of your points are so completely biased. "Trials aren't even hard this year" brush I went flawless quite a few times year 1 and a couple times year 2 of D1 and believe me for a guy on LFG it is ten times harder than it's ever been. I have played with people equivalent in skill to those old teams I went flawless with. Even if I and my team have the game of our lives we usually get stomped by any good clan.
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Bearbeitet von nvme_187: 10/20/2017 3:01:16 AMIt's what happens when you cater to casuals. They aren't the engine that keeps this game going. Yes, they out weigh us as far as money comes, but who are the casuals following? Gamers or advertisement? I completely understand from a business perspective, but how many of us devoted fans would pay a small fee for new content every month? I know i would. I'm sure Bungie is banging their heads as we speak our frustrations on where to go. They got paid for D2 question is will they invest in their product or fill their pockets? I guarantee you by the time CoD comes out there will be even less logging in and when the casuals can't find the people to carry them through trials, raids or nightfall cause their dominant friends are on to the next game, where do you think the casuals are going?
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Eh, I haven’t played in weeks. Can’t bring myself to play the campaign again for a third time to make a hunter, just so bored of it. Thankfully South Park, Shadow Of War & Evil Within 2 have cured my boredom since then. Destiny 2 compared to Destiny 1 is such a bad game, sure a better story but so many stupid design choices.
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
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[quote] [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [/quote] This was in D1, ever since Rise of Iron DLC
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I’m somewhat happy D2 came out this bad. I can’t keep grinding for loot anymore. But I’m sad that this game sucks. Cloaks are garbage. Guns are stale and have no variety. No strike specific loot. Ability cool down really sucks. I mained gunslinger all the way through and they just took an already weaker-than-most class and made it worse. And pvp went from full of options to only two options.
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May the lord and master of the universe bless you forever and ever!
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3 AntwortenI'm going to tack on the smallest of complaints to the list; I want the ability for hunters to blink jump back.
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Let's hope that the majority is fixed in the DLC (which is still bs because the game should've launched with most of these things)
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[quote][35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release.[/quote] I will play D3 Season 12 after 2 weeks of launch on PC. That should be enough time to get my char to 300 Gearscore or w/e this shit is called here. Then i play 3 months season and only login to do my milestones or w/e those daily/weekly thingies are called. In the meantime the first dlc will be released and then i will play again. Really dont see what the problem here is. I have more than enough to do from tuesday off.
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3 AntwortenRoblox has more replay value than destiny 2.
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4 AntwortenI agree with all your issues and please don’t take offense to this as I’m trying to add a little humor but it might come off as dick. The only thing I’d add to your list is: [36] It’s crazy to me that anyone thought this game would be anything besides a total sellout, dumbed down, half assed version of D1 To me, Bungie has done nothing in the past 3 years that would ever make me think this game would be anything more than a cash grab. While there were major issues with vanilla Destiny (which, for the majority of them, should have been pretty easily identified pre-launch), every single patch and DLC has removed a little bit of Destiny’s soul. While everyone was lauding Bungie after every patch/DLC for the quality of life changes or improved accessibility, I just saw a greedy company that was slowly removing the fun, challenge & uniqueness just to exploit their current customers while trying to cater more to the main stream. I get it; “it’s called good business.” It’s just a shame that companies these days care far less about product quality and far more about how they can squeeze every last dollar from every last consumer. It's our fault though. I mean, they literally just took gear and content away and sold it right back to us. And people ate it up like they did us some huge favor! I hope that if anything comes out of this awful game it’s that we consumers hold companies to higher standards.
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You forgot raid weapons not having raid specific perks like D1. Big letdown.
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It's crazy to me that they know their community is burning down and they're talking about raid keys and "we'll talk about the seasons thing like in a few days maybe if we feel like it...." Bad idea bros. If there's anything you haven't said, better say it now...
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It really is nuts. Who decides to make a loot based shooter with little to no loot. Or who says”let’s make the sequel to our grind game,that people played for 3 years, have no grind.”
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Yeah, sad but true. D2 is a huge let down right now. I sincerely hope they can fix it, but there’s just too much to fix to have any hope.
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Bump for later
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It makes little sense to build a game for the casuals , where all the best guns are easily acquired . No end game activity gives any advantageous armour or guns. Then keep the same -blam!-in piss os shit peer to peer server setup. The whole argument of an even playing field has to be based upon even dedicated servers , or what’s the -blam!-in point.