I don't hate Destiny 2 and prefer to not have to do a raid to reach max light, but there certainly needs to be something more to do. Boss specific loot, faction rep levels, strike specific shaders, a prestige level, are all possibilities. Tying max light to an activity that a very low percentage of players care to participate in seems unwise. Remember how many players complained non-stop about not getting the boots/gloves to drop for them from the raid (forever 29)?

I don`t know why Bungie is still waiting to come up in front and say : "Hey guy`s we know we did a mistake with some aspects of the game and now we are currently working to make the game FUN again. Expect changes in a mount ". 80% of my friends are dedicated Destiny players with more then 3000h play time and now they don`t play Destiny 2 anymore, cuz the game is ass in current state. People are leaving D2 like there is a Godzila chasing behind them. Such huge player base drop in a mount. Don`t get me wrong I have more than 4000 h of D1 and absolutly love it even if it was bit broken, but now in D2 I can`t even force myself playing the game. Like WHO even complained about random perks on weapons so they removed them. Every one complained about the loot drop itself not the actual perks. Good guns with good perks were droping so rare. I am a guy who has more then 3000 h only in crucible and still don`t have a rangefinder luna. That was my problem with D1 the good perks were not droping for me. IS it a bad thing? Yes, but at the same time I had something to chase for. Crucible was so much fun even for solo q players like me and now I want kill myself after 2 games in IB. Please BUNGIE STEP UP and fix your game ( PVP and PVE ) quick or you are gonna loose not only the cassuals, but even dedicated players like myself. D1 was able to survive for 3 years, because of Trials and crucible. It is not gonna happen again if you dont make the game fun again REALLY QUICK.

It is so massively tempting to go back to D1. I'm a destiny fanboy...I loved D1. But barely a month in and D2 has me fighting to find reasons to turn it on at night. I've not done the raid yet but what parts I have done are more like puzzles than bosses. In D1 the puzzles were what you had to do in order to get to the next boss and get loot. And what loot it was. They need to bring back random rolls. The fact that I can go positive in most crucible games is a testament to how much they've catered to filthy casuals like myself. I sincerely hope they do an overhaul of the game in its current state. It needs something...that buzz of D1 when you completed the Vault of Glass raid and came out with Fatebringer and Vex. The game as it is, is a bland boring version of itself. It's almost as if Bungie scraped it together in a few months. No real passion has gone into making it. Where's the "got to have" loot? Why's it so easy to get all exotics? Why would you give away exotics as part of the storyline? There's nothing worth grinding for. No repeated disappointment of not getting the Gjallarhorn from the list of "exotic-dropping" activities for that week.

Yep. It's time we start judging Destiny based on what it is, not by what we want it to be. Destiny 2 is a huge game with zero depth. It's about as challenging as a Lego game, with about the same amount of customization. Destiny 2 is for 7 year old kids, not casuals. The only part of the game worth playing is Crucible, because the AI isn't idiotic. But even that mode is completely broken because of so many issues that I don't feel like pointing out. Destiny 2 is the last sequel I'll ever buy from Bungie. If the DLC fixes the problems with the game, maybe I'll jump in after a year or so. But I'm done with the numbered Destiny's. Bungie has gone from the worlds greatest FPS developer, to the worlds worst. I no longer consider myself amoung Bungie's fans. They haven't done anything to retain me as a fan. Such a fall from grace. It's sad.

Wow 2400+ Upvotes and not a word from bungie.... lol whats funny is im seeing replies from cozmo about putting shaders on a goddamn sword. i think that had 400 upvotes? lololol Pathetic.

wow, up over 2400. That says a lot about how much the players hate this game. The only legit defense from some people is the fact that they liked the story. But to me there were so many plot holes it was ridiculous. When Oryx came to the system, the Cabal suicide bombed the dreadnaught and were about to blow up its core. Are you telling me the fallen, hive, and vex in this solar system were just sitting by idly while Ghaul was about to blow up the sun? How cool would this game have been if the fallen became our allies to take down Ghaul? Can you say new playable race? Yet another missed opportunity by Bungie.

Haha everyone complained they were forever 29 and they fixed it in this game So many different ways for getting to max level and that’s what this forum wanted Bungie can’t do right and can only do wrong by you folks It’s simply never good enough The problem is, the whining and entitlement this bunch of folks has I wish we could see how old some of these people actually are...if bungie knew they were taking the majority of advice from 9 year olds up voting their dumb topics every day They wouldn’t listen to them Don’t like this game...don’t play it I enjoy watching you guys come on here and complain tho, makes my work day go by faster

Leveling up your subclass was fun? Here I thought it was running around wielding space magic and experiencing near-perfect gameplay mechanics. Why does everyone have such fond memories of leveling gear? It was boring, don't make it sound like you savored every perk once you unlocked it. We all knew exactly what to expect from a piece of gear or a gun the moment we looked at the perk tree, actually leveling it was just a chore. The best thing they did in that regard was letting you burn motes to speed-level your stuff. The problem is everyone has so many ideas of what they [i]want[/i] Destiny to be that they miss what it is and stop just having fun with it. Get over yourselves, Bungie cannot and will not ever be able to make this perfect unicorn of a game you're dreaming of.

Downvoted. I, for one, don't miss the grind. I like the new places and activities, I enjoy the higher level of cosmetic customization, and I think the raid is a worthy addition to the previous four. The game is far from perfect, mind you. The PvP is less fun than D1's was before Valentine's Day. Our Guardian being mute was just stupid. And, the Iron Banner was just Crucible with a different narrator with light levels disabled. But, I am still enjoying the ride, just as I did my 2500 hours in D1.

I think that they missed the mark on D2 considering what they had to use from D1 and the time they spent in development: Vault is a step backwards: The D1 vault by the end was near perfect except for maybe more space and a few more tabs for things like shaders and ghosts, but at-least it was organized into weapons, armor and misc. The D2 Vault should have built on an already good system and evolved, but instead we have everything thrown in one tab, but yet separate tabs for exotics and emblems, but no tabs for shaders, ships, Sparrows, ghosts or anything else. Either bring back Kiosks or evolve the vault, so they are not needed. To much recycled from D1: They had three years to prepare, but we get all the same enemies, many of the same exotics and many patrol missions from D1. I would have liked to see a step forward with some original thought then just re-skinning D1. And those Public events? What happened there? Not only are some recycled ( we did get some new ones ), but having a flag marking them and occurring so often what is the point? Public events should have evolved into random battles/tasks that make the open world exploration fun and exciting with worthy rewards. Now they are just events on quick timers with a "x" marks the spot come fight here system, which is boring with no real reward, and even the heroic versions have horrible rewards. Not enough gear: 1 month in and everyone looks the same in social spaces and are pretty much using the same weapons. There should have been double if not triple the gear from D1 with a high level of individualization available. I've said it before, but they should take a look at the system Halo 4 used that had several armor variants attached to commendations for rewards, which would have been a great system and something to work towards. D2 should have several variants of each gear piece and tons of Rare unique gear/weapons attached to in game commendations or milestones. Huge missed opportunity with Lost Sectors: Lost sectors should be similar to solo dungeons in Elder Scrolls online and they should be well hidden and not on a map. They should be at random hidden locations so when you happen to find one you are excited to get through it because it may not have be there long. Plus, If they attached multiple rare armor/weapon variants to LS's then you would have unique gear after completing the LS that would be very rare and a great trophy. Factions: Not a big fan of this new Faction Rally or the re-skinned Faction armor that is already in game. Factions should be always available and should have advanced from D1, but again a step backwards Bungie went. I will say that I like the randomness of the drops from factions packages instead of just buying gear, but I think a better system could have been introduced that evolved from D1. Example: Have the Faction themed re-skinned armor available for purchase if you are pledged to the faction, but also have hidden unique rare faction armor/weapons that unlock as you rank up the faction. For instance, every 10 levels that you rank up the faction you get a "Rare Faction Package" that contains a couple pieces of rare Faction gear and have different variants that could drop so it's not just the same drop for everyone. Also have Faction Exotic unlocks at high ranks, such as rank 50 and 100 with a faction specific armor and weapon for those ranks. I think that would give us a reason to rank up Factions and have rare weapons, shaders and gear attached to the system with multiple variants. In D1 I think my Dead Orbit Rank was over 120, so imagine how cool it would be to have some rare & unique gear from climbing the higher faction ranks or completing Faction Milestones. Not to mention in D1 we had the special shaders that dropped randomly and the Exotic Faction items, which there is no mention of in D2 as of yet. During the Faction Rally, I got a ton of the same shaders right away and a bunch of the same gear! Not fun and no reason at all to grind A real open world: The world of D2 should have evolved into a larger RPG world that is a living, breathing environment with unexpected changes, battles and spawns with an active weather system. as well as, hidden caves and areas with a ton of loot to randomly find, so there is a reason to explore and a sense of reward. Again think Elder Scrolls Online and how fun a similar system would be in D2. Finally how about some cool planet monsters or new planet enemies hidden away in caves for us to find and battle for loot? New Shader system: Love the addition of applying shaders to everything, but not at all a fan of the single use system or the purchase system, especially the Legendary shaders! Once you unlock a shader you should have it available to apply to anything unlimted like in D1. The only shaders that you should be apply to purchase are the planet shaders for in game glimmer from the planet contact people. Certain shaders should be rare drops from in game milestones or completions, not purchased with real money! Planet contact people and tokens: The people we turn in the tokens to on each planet seem like a real waste along with the token concept. Why not have daily/weekly/monthly missions, milestones and bounties available for us to grab from each person and as we rank up we get reward packages similar to what I described above with Factions. The Tokens should be attached to Rare unique gear with a few different variants available, so after you collect a certain amount you can turn them in for a "rare package" for one of the random gear/weapon variants available from that person. Again, give us a reason to explore and rank up these NPC's. That is just a few things that really bug me along with, no strike specific gear, strike scoring or harder strikes like in D1. the Mod system should allow us to remove mods and we should be able to fully mod a weapon with grips, sights, barrels, trigger types and so on to build a personal weapon. They could have done better and I hate to complain, but D2 was a big let down in my eyes. I expected more of an evolved Destiny experience with many new additions. Edit: Thank you to everyone who took the time to read and comment. I took some of your advice and created my own topic with these ideas. We will see what happens!

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