Destiny was destroyed by the PvP "weapons balance" community. And shame on Bungie for caving in. Bungie should have just separated PvP from PvE. HoW was the best. Exotic and Raid weapons were strongest AND with unigue perks followed by legendary followed by rare. This was eliminated in TK. And all these Bungie fanboys posting "exotic means situational perk not necessarily strongest weapon" have no credibility as the perks on 80% of the exotics are shared on legendary. One example is Suros Regime - Focus fire and glass half full. Perks available on all legendaries. So why use Suros Regime over Grim Citizen or Shadow Price with same perks??? Fun was destroyed with TK and has been getting progressively worse.

So I shared my frustrations with the gun play in Destiny 2 on another post. I played the Beta for 25+ hours without D1 since Monday. That extended time without D1 numbed me a little bit to how deeply frustrating the Beta truly is. The gunplay, aside from each gun feeling super weak and simulating a TTK as long or longer than the Division, feels fake, RNG based, and completely lacking of all the crisp precision of D1. It's like they turned off every code filter that made Destiny good. After work I played one match of control in the Beta and then immediately jumped onto D1 for control and pulled out my Eyasluna and Longbow. After the first match, I jumped into Rumble and threw on test weapons to practice for DTR's challenge this weekend. EVERY gun (test weapons included) felt better than the Beta. Moreover, the aesthetics and sizing (aspect ratio?) of the Beta makes you feel like you're playing models of yourself that are .75x the size of your D1 self. The environments look like fake plastic fantasy areas instead of a dark, gritty realism we knew in D1. D1 aesthetics combine potential and loss, thriving and ruin in a world and landscape at the same time. It's brilliant. In contrast, the guns, the movement of your character, the emotes, the armor, the environment, the aesthetics, the damage, the abilities, the animations of the Beta--all of those make me feel like I'm playing a plastic model of myself with toy guns after previously wielding death wielding tools of mass destruction in a badass looking post-apocalyptic world that simultaneously displays captivating beauty and the dark reality of post-golden age. I understand this is a beta, but they want our feedback about the BETA and how it feels. Well, it feels like a betrayal of Destiny. A betrayal of the beautiful world, the art, the entire feel of moving, fighting, and living in that world... of the mechanics and handling and feeling of guns and abilities... of the spirit of Destiny.

I'm a part of the community and I think it's going to be a great game.

Anyone else notice the stark contrast between the media/YouTube impressions of the game and the players? Answering the original question of your post: Yes. Partially. Mostly its a giant, re-skinned cash grab with a "2" slapped on the box to fool new customers into believing its new and improved. Don't worry though, Bungie said that this Beta build is months old and all of the stuff people are complaining about are fixed. So no worries. In other news, locals complain of overwhelming amounts of Bullsh*t pouring out of every corner of Bungies offices...

Destiny 1 beta, made my decision in, "I gotta have this game". Destiny 2 beta, a freaking joke! Like really bungie, 1) what's the deal with the hunter? I'd rather reload and charge my melee than have a dodge ability, like who's the dummy that thought that was a good idea, and not to mention to get arcstrider kills in crucible is like watching myself move in slo-mo! No patrol area, no exploration whatsoever and no content but a strike that looks cereal box cheap, naming the boss protheon which is cheessy af, like get real. THIS IS D2? Crucible is not the bread and butter of this franchise, it's PVE !!! Why in gods name is this beta looking like its catering crucible mode for? Nobody buys this game cause, OMG the crucible!!! Crucible is ok at best, it's good here and there, but nobody pays money for how amazing crucible is ??? People invest money in to this game for the exploration and adventure, facts!!! Terrible beta bungie, the beta is meant to showcase the some of the new game strengths, and pull in those gamers who are still undecided. But for the ones who preordered the game ,why hold back on us? Why leave out content on us? @bungie #Dissapointing ...

This is the only beta I've ever played that has made me not want the main game. Even the division beta suckered me in. To all those who say it's a beta and bungie is going to fix it.... Answer this In the history of d1 when did bungie fix an issue in 6 weeks or less?

"It's a beta!" said every dumbass in this community

Everything's a bullet sponge. Enemies with yellow bars are so bullet sponge-y they're almost like fighting a boss. Usually while playing as a hunter I'd use my mobility to my advantage. In D2 as a hunter I pop in and out of cover and stay behind cover longer since health recovery takes so long. It reminded me of the Division in a few ways and that's not good. Why make grenade cool down so long if the grenades are so weak? I find myself holding onto grenades in PvE for the yellow barred enemies only- to help bring the shield down. I'm predicting a lot of XP grinding if things don't change. Players will prefer to take on missions and strikes at lower levels than their characters just to keep from feeling bogged down.

EDIT: Gotta love how 7 people have disliked this post, yet not one of those 7 people actually took the time out of their day to disprove me. Not one. Just proves how unsubstantiated the hatred that comes from this community is. I'll try to keep this as not-patronizing as possible, but I'm getting really sick of the claims with no background support. Just vague, subjective statements that the community doesn't seem to actually think about before agreeing with them. Bandwagon-effect plagues this community so much. [quote] Supers so weak we might as well be the sidekick of a superhero's sidekick.[/quote] [b] [spoiler]Sentinel[/b]: 2 Supers in one- • Ward w/ Armor, perfect for holding down points- we're most likely going to get Exotics that affect it's Armor of Light stat buff as well. • Essentially a balanced Sunbreaker for the second super, both potentially activate-able at the same time. You [i]honestly[/i] think Sentinel needs a buff? You didn't specify which super, you just vaguely said "Supers are so weak", so you were obviously implying all of them since you didn't give one example throughout your entire post of any of your claims. [b]Striker[/b]: Essentially 4 Fist of Havocs as opposed to one? Soooo weak, right? Also- increased agility and armor with a Shoulder Bash as well. [b]Dawnblade[/b] can take a Golden Gun Shot and remain in the air for the entire duration of the super while spamming the Phoenix Dodge ability, that is very good. I agree that the duration should be slightly extended- but that's it. Dawnblade is[i] not[/i] weak. The new [b]Nova Bomb[/b] is very fun to use, but I agree it lacks viability in PvP once Players become a little more accustomed with it- but it's one of those classes where the abilities make up for how bad the super is. You guys get Blink, an over-chargeable Grenade, an amazing Melee and outstanding class ability circulation in both of your skill trees. I'd say the only class I fully agree with you on is Arcstrider. No health regeneration upon killing people in Super, no Invisibility, No Quickdraw, No Blink and you're forced to use the second class tree as the first one is only good for Trash Ads in PvE. Gunslinger is very good, especially in PvE. Perks that enable precision damage and reward you with excellent team support abilities upon landing them, and six shots with Golden Gun as well.. I don't know how you can say the classes have gotten weaker when 4/6 of them are absolutely outstanding compared to their formal selves.[/spoiler] [quote]Plot holes so big it makes the giant hive pit on Luna look like a mere freshly popped zit.[/quote] I'll go ahead and challenge you on this, so please enlighten me on what "[b]Plot Holes[/b]" you believe there are in the game, as you didn't actually list a single one throughout your entire post. So I'd love to hear them. [quote]It's as if Bungie took one step forward and five steps backwards. [b]So many options that we demanded of Bungie to fulfill our money's worth for three damn years will be absent again in the final release.[/b] I predict they'll install them again in future overpriced DLCs. They present a half-baked game but will demand full price.[/quote] Like what?? Once again, you didn't list any of the options we "demanded" from Bungie. In fact, they've added so many things that we've demanded from them and yet we're bitching about them. You aren't providing ANY EXAMPLES for ANY of your claims at all, it makes it really difficult to sympathize with you. Well considering that their goal was competitive play, with potential towards E-Sports, I'd say they took a solid 5 steps forwards and one step backwards with the Hunter's Class Ability.

TBH I'm loving this beta. I am/was a huge Bungie flame thrower during y1-2 and completely absent y3. The weapon system doesn't seem to hurt PvE so far. I'm soloing the strike pretty easily(AFK players already????). Just have to learn right tool for the job. Majors aren't as scary as people make them out to be, L2fusion. And as far as the ultra is concerned it feels on par for a 3 phase fight. Cooldowns are slow AF but we're also using damn near stateless gear. But I'm loving the Titan rally wall and warlock heal or damage combo. It melts npc faces. I will say I am disappointed that Titan shield throw is grenade charge tethered but the 3rd hit in the Melee chain being aoe is a little bit of aloe to the burn. Nova bomb needs to lose collision detection/blink through solid obstructions. It moves far too slow to be wasted on busting in walls. So far I'm super excited. Does it sick that D1 felt like a beta while d2 had 3 years of focus, sure. But I'm confident that y4 will be fun af and y5-6 will be droughts until d3 releases y7

Plot holes?

Did you really just try to argue there are plot holes in the Beta? You obviously don't understand what the purpose of a Beta is and are just a sad human being

but dont you know tho, all those common cool things that are standard in a given game dont exist in Bungie's blueprints - ever. I am new to bungie and destiny was my 1st experience having shifted over from RPG games.....and other non-fps games. Seems like they know what we want *they tell us this every single week or at least whenever we get the update*, but for some reason they want to spoon feed it to us and we will worship ever buff and nerf because like idiots we fall for it every single time. We give up and decide, ok might as well play what we paid for and adapt...and i think bungie relies on this - their real feedback comes from those who make them mo money and its the popular streamers with tiny emotions who have the ultimate say-so. They will reject or deny it, but the obvious can't escape those with common sense. I feel you.

It's like Bungie took everything they learned from Destiny 1 and threw it out the window. They said -blam!- it let's just do the exact opposite and see what happens. I am in shock about the trash that is Destiny 2 Beta. Quite literally the worst version of Destiny I have ever played. Now I realize that Destiny 1 was actually a good game and I miss it.