It feels so slow and I don't feel like we move anywhere close to as smooth as destiny1. Edit # 1- Damn I check my phone on break and 63 responses lol. Edit # 2- Guns recoil is off too. I feel like recoil is up and to the left and up and to the right sometimes on the same gun. It makes it hard to be consistent and lower with damage on guns makes it even tougher to consistently kill and get into a rhythm. Hit detection (NOT LAG) is off as well. Most of the time my bullets won't even register until enemy is dead. If it does register, it registers after I shoot a couple more bullets. This is really annoying. I like a lot of changes but these are 2 huge things I hate BIGTIME. It kind of feels like I'm playing on a PlayStation 2. Edit # 3- WOW some great responses! IM glad others see how off these things are! Edit # 4- Pretty much, I feel like we took so many steps forward but took 2 huge steps backwards with movement changes and overall crispy and responsive feel of guns recoil and hit detection. Edit # 5- Great responses! Sometimes its hard to put into words how the movement, Weapon hit detection and recoil seem off. I'm glad that other people agree and feel the same way. 225 upvotes and I made this post a couple days ago. This is what a beta is for! Give your input and opinion and hopefully the devs see why we don't like or like things. The thing is....hopefully they fix it and not just see it. The sandbox team is really stubborn I noticed and they don't really listen to feedback. If they do listen it's never really fixed. Kinda like the .04 % auto rifle buff that one time. I Hope the sandbox team learned from their mistakes in destiny 1. Tons of great changes! But movement and hit detection n recoil direction (not lag) are my biggest issues by far! Edit # 6- This is a thread from Riasimov on hit detection you can also look at! He sums up exactly how I feel. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/229266473/0/0 DONT FORGET TO UPVOTE IF U AGREE! Edit # 7- BUNGIE COULD YOU ANSWER WHY MOVEMENT IS OFF OR WHY IT WAS CHANGED? (Typed in caps so you might see this...not yelling, just curious) Player Movement, weapon recoil, hit detection, and overall feel of weapons (gunplay) was so amazing in Destiny 1 (except for bloom on handcannons). Movement was so responsive and guns shot so crisp. I loved that. What the hell happened? Still enjoy D2, I love most changes but I guess I will have to get use to a totally different feel of guns and awkward movement. Pretty much a totally different game....not a sequel. Edit # 8- Forbes Article that is spot on... https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/07/20/from-cooldowns-to-weapon-loadouts-destiny-2-has-hurt-pve-to-help-pvp/#24ac5f9c1580 Edit # 9- Feel free to check out/subscribe to my YouTube. I started making pvp montages this year. Montages I make are just from a 1 or 2 days worth of games and I pull my best clips. So it's not like months n months of games, but I get some nice clips. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm-bF7Ug_hZHzthVO8NYn1Q I also made 2 Saladin's Vigil Montages, those are my favorite vids. https://youtu.be/W1rTXZzJmrI https://youtu.be/6NcXv-ZenQU Just a last look at some destiny 1 gameplay. I'm going to make lots more vids with destiny 2. I'm gonna start making vids with weapons I like for pvp and helpful tips I can share. I hope devs really listen to us and make smart changes b4 destiny 2 drops. Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. I'm really passionate about destiny and love the game. That's why I made this thread. Hope I enjoy D2....beta definitely made me worried about D2 instead of hyped. I'm still hyped but kind of in shock that bungie changed with a few things that were perfect. Sorry for the long rant...I tend to do that. Edit # 10- Over 300 likes! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that hates the new movement. Movement is such a huge part of pvp.