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3/7/2017 5:35:40 PM
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The community itself has been asking for this for quite a while, myself included.
The whole issue in my mind is that it's a day late and a dollar short. Bungie invalidated all of the original content to push it's "new" expansions forcing pay to play. Everything players liked about this game became obsolete as soon as a new expansion was released.
Bungie invalidated all guns and gear from year one to force diversity. Unfortunately, that isn't Bungies call. The PVE crowd uses weapons and gear it prefers and PVP uses weapons and gear they prefer. Bungie is a developer that prides itself on telling others what to do and how to do it. From a gamers standpoint, the player is controlling the action that takes place onscreen, not the developers constantly pulling the strings. When the developer gets too involved, the player base grows tired of the micro-managing and just leaves.
All Bungie had to do was keep the content relevant in the first place and these issues would have never occurred.
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You say that weapons became obsolete when a new expansion is released, while they may not have made much damage in the new strikes/missions/raids, they are still effective in the things they were made for (the older strikes and raids) so they did do what they were made for and bungie technically didn't cut content.
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Nailed it. 10/10
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Bearbeitet von GalaxySpider: 3/7/2017 8:51:23 PMThe developer can do whatever they want to do with their(!) game. It's their creative work, their own visions. They own everything and owe us nothing! That's the first rule when you play videogames. It was always like that and will never change. Community Feedback is important, yes, but a dictating community is even worse. If you think that Bungie is the worst, like most people here think, than you obviously never played other games of these kind. WoWs PvP for example is a disaster in the eyes of fans and for the longest time was (and still is). Destiny was Bungies first step into the world of shared world shooters. They expected too much from their project, thought they could handle it easily, but when they launched the game the never ending line of problems started. That's clear. Their visions and ideas came with a lot of problems later as well. Delays, Balancing problems, a small life team barely able to handle the life support, a strict contract with a well known publisher. That happens and that's natural because in the end, the guys behind the desks are just humans. And it's still beyond me why people like you expect this game to be perfect. Wake up. Stop letting yourself hyped from marketing guys. And see what can go well and what can go wrong. Bungie learned a lot during the past two years. But building the original game around the stuff they learned, would be a waste of time. So sometimes it is better to do the best with the things you have right now. And the Age of Triumph, made by a small team, is a prime example of that. The Taken King expansion, too. And I'm thankful for that. They could have stopped before RoI but didn't. No matter the problems we had, the game still playes well enough to deliver fun.
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It is true that Bungie can do whatever they want with their game. The other side of the coin is that if they can't stick to a plan players will jump ship. Bungie can reset everyone, take their stuff, nurf whatever they want and charge whatever they want, but I don't have to buy their game if they continue to have this "holyier than thou" attitude. Let people play with what they want, how they want it as long as it doesn't affect someone else. Speaking in terms of PVP. PVP and PVE should have always been kept separate. Every time a PVP patch is put out, it screws with PVE. They alienate half of their player base right there.
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Bearbeitet von GalaxySpider: 3/7/2017 10:41:55 PMSure. Tbh, what I think is that the designers originally had that idea of your guardian being the same everywhere because it can be an absoutely weird experience (especially for new players) having your guardian behave totally different in seperate sections of the game. I'm sure they mentioned that several times in their streams and WUs. It's the same reason why we can't turn of Supers in private matches, but can change the day time, lol. They have no intention to remove that essential part of gameplay. People here always say "I want my guardian to be (more) powerful". If you would seperate that, the players guardians would feel even weaker than now (to get a right balance). Would this satisfy the players NOT visiting the forum? Remember, forum users are always a minority. Reddit as well. We here say that this would be the best solution. What's does the rest of the Destiny playerbase think? No one knows. Their concern is somehow plausible. No one can tell if the games engine can't seperate the two big sections or if Bungie simply don't want to because of the games original design they had mind long before development started (concepting). Also the PvP, is tied to the games lore (Osiris), so it is even more complicated to seperate that. Osiris does not seek weak puppies, balanced to be as fair as possible. He seeks Guardians. What Bungie mostly does with PvP is looking for a sweet spot between fun and less frustration. And this is a haaaaard thing to do. I don't support all decisions Bungie ever made. But the good things, to me, outweight the bad or weird stuff they did. And that's why I can have fun regardless in what kind of state the game is right now. My personal solution would be a seperate PvP which has absolutely nothing to do with guardians at all. Bungie could do whatever they wanted for such a PvP. But I play Destiny for NOT having a standard multiplayer shooter, right?
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Well said
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couldn't of said it better myself... i got sidetracked a long time ago, saying the same things over and over again, that i became one of the pleebs that i hate, just raging and carrying on about nerfs and broken animal obnoxiousness and the lack of anything to do/substandard storytelling... I used to know words like the ones used in your post, but then Destiny happened
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Isn't this practice of new content upstaging older content in terms of power level quite normal in this kind of MMO-esque expansion system?
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But your power doesn't go up of old raids are capped regards power level.
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Unfortunately, nothing about Destiny is "normal". How many developers have pulled as much crap as Bungie has regarding its player base. The empty promises, the deceptive practices, their overall inability to manage a game only makes Bungie look worse in the eyes of its fan base.
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Well said.
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I'm sorry, but no. Growth requires that things are left behind. Do you still play with the same toys you did when you were young? Still wear the same clothes? Some of it may hold good memories, sure. But the try and force them to fit into your life now is absurd.
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Bearbeitet von FRYKILL: 3/7/2017 7:52:45 PMI have driven the same truck for 10 years. I do wear the same clothes everyday because my employer requires a uniform. I've had the same wife for 14 years and I never get tired of playing with that. Growth does not mean things are left behind. By that logic, the skills I have acquired as a tradesman for 11 years do not carry over to the next year. In order to grow, the past is a strength, not a weakness.
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That's like stubbornly clinging to a screwdriver when a drill is presented to you. In any case, your experience as you presented it has no bearing on this discussion. Based on what you said, you haven't [i]had[/i] any growth in that period. Besides that, I asked if you still use everything from when you were a kid. Somehow I very much doubt that. You either grow or you become stagnant. That's a basic fact of life. Even in the experience you shared, I imagine there's been some growth. Are you still in the same position at your job? Has your knowledge and skill increased since you started working there? Was that the first truck you ever owned? Has your relationship with your wife changed since you met her? I'd be willing to bet your uniform has been revised, and you've gotten new ones over the years. Every aspect of life has room for growth. If bungie were to push forward all our gear, they'd be very limited in what they could do. Just like you'd be cramped if you still wore the same clothes from when you were 12.
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I agree with everything you said except the drill. You still need a screwdriver in addition to a drill.
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Bearbeitet von chickengoujohn93: 3/7/2017 6:09:54 PMSounds like most MMOs. New content replaces the old and makes gear obsolete.
