In y1 shotguns had much more range , now in y3 everyone cry for their range, but want back y1 meta .... ok

Y2 was best for me. I started improving in the start of y2 and i played tons of crucible. I loved it when i could use everything and do kinda well.

[quote]Yes last word and thorn were op but everyone had access to those guns.[/quote] That right there isn't balanced. They shouldn't be 'OP' if they're readily available to everyone. It lowers the desire in finding decent items elsewhere because hey "I've already picked up my preset exotic instant-win weapon! Why bother trying to get anything else?". [quote]Weapons were rerollable so players could obtain rolls without the ridiculous grind we have now.[/quote] The re-rolling system was in direct conflict with the core loot-system so it was removed. Doesn't take much to understand why it was a bad thing to have in the game. [quote]Bloom wasn't a thing as well.[/quote] It's also the only thing that is stopping the no-skill hand cannons from completely dominating Crucible. Before bloom? Any idiot with two-thumbs could easily win with a hand cannon. After bloom? Now it takes actually decent skill, not just with the gun but with your character as well, to win with a hand cannon. It rewards skill now more so than it did before. Before, hand cannons did half the work with their insane aim-assistance and innate weapon accuracy that nearly pulled the shots into an opponents head. Rubbish. [quote]Now, I get on only to get frustrated when I run into a lobby with 5 brain dead shocklocks.[/quote] You could say the same thing during Year-1 as well, so that's no different. [quote]Top pvpers have a better understanding how things should work and what makes the game more competitive.[/quote] I'm sure these same "Top PvPers" would also be ones who say that weapon re-rolling was good (it wasn't) and that elemental primarys are needed (they're not), or that subclasses have been nerfed (buffed), or that bloom killed hand cannons (didn't) or that Year 1 PvP was 'better'(it wasn't). Yeah, because they would know what they're talking about. (They don't. Spoilers.) [quote]Listening to the casuals has given us a pvp where max armor is a thing (surviving 3 taps), a melee that can kill u from Africa (stormcaller melee), bloom is a thing, ttk on primaries is so bad that everyone jus runs at u with a shotgun, and exotic weapons r weak meaning legendaries are more sought out for which then leads to more rng. This game has gotten worse and worse with each update. Hopefully, the next update buffs the hell out of primaries and removes bloom otherwise I don't see many of the top players playing this game anymore.[/quote] If you're willing to sacrifice agility in favour of suriving an extra bullet, then that is your character choice. That's generally how games work when it has stats like that. People can make choices. Weird. Amplitude does nothing but just increase the range. Kind of a let down when most other melee-upgrades actually give something bigger in return. If someone chooses to sacrifice having a bland stat upgrade instead of a utility perk, that's on them. Maybe if Crucible matches didn't let players run around with 15 shotgun rounds, maybe people wouldn't be running about with a shotgun? Year 1 saw a ridiculous abuse of special weapons. It's been toned down since then but it was still ridiculous. Did many primary weapons have a slightly faster time-to-kill? I think so. (Can't recall. Too little of a difference for it to mean anything.) Does it matter? No, players still ran around with special weapons, abusing them to no end. Exotic weapons were never meant to be the workhorse of a players arsenal. That role is meant to be for legendary weapons. This has been brought up in near every time that an exotic weapon got adjusted. They want exotic weapons to feel powerful (most if not all do) while not actually being powerful. They want players to search for those really nice legendary weapons because if everyone was able to get their hands on a generic exotic weapon with static perks, why bother playing the game more to get something else? Leads to more RNG? What game do you think you're playing? Destiny's core loot-system is based around random rewards and you're complaining that someone might get something that is better that may lead them to having a better chance at winning? Just stop. Crucible will [b]never[/b] be balanced with the current inventory system. Not in Year 1, Year 2, and it certainly doesn't seem like it going into Year 3. Just stop with this nonsense of a 'balanced Crucible'. It can't happen unless major inventory changes are made, and those wouldn't happen right now. So what if the top-players stop playing the game? It's not meant for them. It's catered to the casual-shooter crowd and is meant to be played casually.

Anything other than year one is a PvP abortion. It's the only year it took skill to win trials or really anything in PvP. That's why the y1 emblem is the only exotic emblem in the game.

There has never been a sniper meta