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Why can't I play Destiny how I want to play Destiny???

So I was playing some PvP with good ol' TKL yesterday and something that has bothered me in the past about this game suddenly reared its ugly head. I have played a lot of Destiny. Over the course of the life of this game, the way in which I play has also varied wildly. In Vanilla I mostly chained strikes. TDB and HoW, I pretty much existed in PvP. in TTK, RWG introduced me to raiding. No matter what I was most into playing at any given time, the thing that has always been the most important piece of gear that I had is my primary weapon and to a large extent that has dictated the level to which I play and enjoy PvP. Now where is all this going? Ever since TTK dropped, I've pretty much hated ever single primary I've used in this game. Now maybe that is being overly harsh, but even the ones I've used regularly have NEVER been anything close to my go-to weapons from year one. Up for Anything Hygiea Noblesse Coiled Hiss NA3D1 Salvation State They were incredible weapons, but what really made them great is that they felt comfortable for me and fit how I played. They had the perks I liked and the scopes I preferred and they were like extensions of my being. So I was playing with TKL and I told him I have been using a Hopscotch Pilgrim and that I love it, but hate the scope on it and keep hoping another will drop. That's when he equipped his with red dot-oas (the best scope in the game), full auto and perfect stability and right then and there it was just completely brought home how -blam!-ed up it is that I will probably never see one with that roll. The absolute perfect weapon for how I want to play, right there and completely unattainable. And I wanted to blame Bungie for the RNG chance just to get one to drop (let alone with the right perks), but it's not Bungie's fault I can't play how I want, it's ourselves who have done this. We had reforging. We had the ability to turn ANY WEAPON IN THIS GAME into a God-roll for ourselves and our personal play style and we threw it away because OMFNG people are rolling popular weapons. Well guess what? They're all still using popular weapons, but now only the ones lucky enough to get good rolls are able to use them. It took me 25k glimmer and 90 rerolls to get my NA3D1 with red dot-oas, full auto and explosive rounds. But once I had it, it was the most fun I've ever had playing PvP and -blam!- your Thorn or whatever else you wanted to use, I had my perfect weapon so I could care less what you used. But again, it's always been too easy to bitch about what we die to rather than try to find what we are good with and the one opportunity we had, instead of taking advantage of it, we complained. Instead of finding our perfect weapon, we bitched about our opponents using weapons they liked. So here I am in year 3 of Destiny, over a year removed from the last weapon I truly loved and a year into searching for another I even like and I've finally found one that I really like a lot and WANT to go play PvP with again and the odds of my ever seeing it with the perks/scope I want are pretty much nil. So instead of playing and competing, I'm sitting in orbit like I've done so often over the last year when no one is around to play. In year one I'd have been playing Clash, playing Control, killing fools that thought they were going to win because they had Thorn. For the last year when thinking of what to play on my own, I've mostly looked at my weapons, looked at the Crucible and said -blam!- it. I want to be able to play Destiny how I want to play. I want to be able to use weapons I love to use with perks that I want on them. But I can't because too many people on the forums are focused on taking away anything powerful or fun or popular that kills them. I don't care what you use and you shouldn't care what I use. We should all be able to have weapons we love.
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  • They really need to add more interesting perks. And/or restore the year one perks to their former glory, save exotic barrel upgrades on primaries though.

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  • I have had to accept this as the future of gaming. Now that games can be tweaked and changed instead of "what you see is what you get", the "Community" will always shout their digital lungs out to force companies to conform to their wants. We are now surrounded by children, yes CHILDREN, who are coddled by their parents saying they are always winners, teachers who are forced or would rather give someone an A so they wouldn't have to see them in school next year. These kids do not know what losing is like until they play competitive games and get their butts handed to them. And they lose their freakin minds cause they dont know how to deal with it. And they are usually the ones with the most time on their hands to spout nerf nonsense constantly in the forums until the devs cave to the demands. Its a sad day indeed.

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  • I dont get this. Its all OUR fault, the community as a whole. And bungie gets none of the blame? They spend this whole last year constantly restating their intent on the game and that that is the ultimate decider. I mean i get you man, if it wasn't for nerf herders shout for the nerf blasters to be fired we would have a lot of badass gear. But why is bungie absolved of that direction when THEY/BUNGIE are the developers who make the final call. We're here STILL because bungie wants us here....

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    • You can play the game you want, use the guns you want to, but winning is a different thing if you wish to use a terrible PvP gun then don't expect to win more than 50% of your games.

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    • You can't play Destiny the way you want because Bungie want you to play their way.

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      • Bearbeitet von Synge_X: 11/24/2016 8:23:21 AM
        Lost, I respect you man, always have. But the community being to blame for nerfs, has always been a position where we have differed. You sum up the issue as "what's easier to think" when it comes to asking for a Nerf vs figuring out a counter. The implication is that people take the easy route and don't think critically. I believe that blaming the community is actually the easier way to see it, as opposed to the nuances that go into the problem. So, I challenge you to think critically about this issue, or at least question the fundamental motives for your thought process here... In 2.0, they not only Nerfed Thorn, they changed the entire way that several stats such as accuracy and effective range worked. This lead to the priority of fire rate over impact as well as the addition of bloom. I say this not to rehash this moment in Destiny history, but to illustrate that this was no simple task. It took over six months of work to complete before rolling it out. Why, if we have so much influence over Bungie, hasn't the following elements been changed or added(this list is not designed as a wish list of mine for scrutiny, it's ideas from the pulse of the community, agree or disagree)? 1. Matchmaking for events such as raids and nightfall. 2. The complete removal of SBMM. 3. More vault space. 4. The return of elemental primaries. 5. Updated Raids. Honestly there is soooo much more... Most of these things require no more programming or resources than the entire restructure for weapon stats in 2.0. I have yet to have it explained to me why it is that Bungie jumps on nerfing everything that the community asks for and ignores massive feedback in other areas? Is it to make the upset people happy? I doubt it, because the community has a significant vocal majority who are against any change to weapons whatsoever. I just don't understand this position and never have honestly. I'm not trying to to be smart assed, condescending, or snarky. I'm open, help me understand.

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        • Member berries. They ruined everything

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          • Question, does this feel like an mmo fps?

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            • Bearbeitet von TheShadow: 11/24/2016 5:35:18 PM
              This is not for the Op. This is for the gamers that don't refuse to see the reality of what this game has become and will not try to justify Bungie's [b]( Deliberate )[/b] poor decisions in this game. [b] It is not the gamers fault on why reforging was removed.[/b] That's like blaming the gamer for being too good at this game because of Bungie's poor mechanics that they removed primary Elemental. Funny thing is, that's the truth knowing Luke smith didn't know how to work around the mechanics. That's like blaming the gamer for being too good that Bungie nerfed the entire y1 and made it obsolete. Capping y1 in PvE but allowed everything to work as intended in PvP. Again, Luke smiths failure to work around the mechanics. That's like blaming the gamer for being to good at PvP so you need to be penalized. All the while knowing Bungie is fully capable of working around things. Oh, let's say the gamers [b]( feedback anyone?!?)[/b] Wow! What a concept. But we all know how Bungie loves to take our feedback and says how they "listen" Bungie's way on dealing with certain things is plan and simple and is [b]( heard loud and clear)[/b] if it takes time and we can't cut corners to fit our needs. Like umm, stretch out what little content we have to offer. [b]REMOVE IT...[/b] [quote][i][b][u]In the months to come, your quest to become more powerful will have more avenues that lead to satisfaction. The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected. [/u][/b][/i][/quote] -Deej, December 4, 2014 When you have A community manager that is paid to lie to their fanbase knowing a gamers time spent in this game [b]( IS NOT RESPECTED )[/b] and holds truth until this day that no one can deny. [b]( no one will ever be able to play this game the way they want to.[/b]

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            • it possiable couldn't be SBMM in anyway

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            • Even in normal crucible now, I feel like I can't use any weapon I want. I'm still trying to get to light level 400, and if you don't have your best gear on, 9/10 drops will be garbage. Of course I could use whatever "just for fun", but gone are the days I would use my khvostov and pocket infinity. Of course this problem lies with me-it's not all on bungie- but Destiny's PvP and everything else coerces us into one playstyle, and if you stray from it, you have to make a sacrifice one way or another. So if I want to use weapons I love, I have to give up on trying to get good gear in normal crucible, and IB and Trials aren't even an option. I don't know. Destiny was incomplete as all hell in year one, but I had fun back then. VoG, strikes, nightfall, and I loved crucible too. Now... it's just different and I'm not so sure I like it this way.

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              • To much of this in every element of the game. I was grinding trials looking for a good armour piece for my void bomber. These flawless emblems aren't easy to obtain so it's a grind to get not only the armour (that doesn't drop with dis/strength split) but the actual perks to fit that play style. It's also the same with guns - not only do you grind to get perks that suit your play style it's often ruined by having the worst scope on the planet. I miss reforge and wish they would implement a proper system for armour as well as guns.

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                • We aren't to blame for why Reforging was removed. Bungie is to blame because they create very few perks that actually impact the game. So rerolling led to a lack of weapon diversity. Without rerolling their is still a lack of weapon diversity just players have to grind way longer to try and obtain god rolls. Nothings changed just the journey to get there. They made the game more RNG based then ever. Don't have a matador with Aggressive Ballistics, and Rifled/Reinforced Barrel? Well keep playing crucible until you get one or else you are going to lose 1v1 battles. Don't have a eyasluna with rifled barrel sureshot? Same scenario. So reforging not only rewarded hardcore players it rewarded casual players who didn't have time to grind. I will say however that because reforging was removed, Bungie was able to boost the legendary drop rates without compromising multiplayer. If the drops rates we have today were around during reforging every single player would have a god roll everything which at that point why have any variance in perks at all. Just have god roll weapon drops but lower the drop rate. Ail I know is right now to be the best that you can be with the best weapons is purely RNG based. You can grind forever and not have the best weapon whereas a player who plays for 2 hours could be rewarded. That just doesn't seem right. To fix this issue all Bungie would have to do is have the vendors at the tower have their perks change on reset every week. Basically turn every vendor into a mini xur for legendaries. It would encourage players to stack on legendary marks again and make players excited to hit up the tower on tuesday. I don't see an issue with that do you?

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                  • Bump

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                  • its simple not your destiny... to play destiny

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                    • No, this is Bungie's fault. The players will not be the scapegoat when stupid shit happens. Decisions to add/remove anything from this game ultimately are made by Bungie so any backlash is their burden. Blaming players for the removal of aspects of this game is not only insulting to players, it also allows Bungie to continue to skate by with minimal accountability. Big, fat, -blam!-ing NOPE.

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                      • Wow sol you really have changed, blaming the players for Bungies decisions?

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                        • I like how Bungo's answer to adding variety is to take away from the game Oh people are using elemental primaries? No variety, lets remove them instead of adding more People are rerolling to get comfortable perks? Turning the rolls to complete RNG drops will add more variety Seriously. People complain about good things and get them taken away. I remember the excitement of finally getting that gun u wanted to drop. Now drops are lack luster because u know the odds of u getting even a decent roll are slim. And while we r on the topic of rerolling. Why is it that we can only reroll raid and exotic armor? I mean if we cant use the weapons we want how we want them then why cant i at least LOOK how i want to without sacrificing functionality ?

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                          • If I was still playing Destiny, I'd still be using my Y1 weapons. No replacement for my: NITC Timur's Lash 55AllFate Aetheon's Epilogue (Roughly equivilent to Doctrine) Oversoul Edict/Praedyth's Timepiece Y1 guns were just better. Theres a few I like in Y2 (Villany), but I agree that the quality of Y2 weapons is MUCH MUCH worse than in Y1 and it pisses me off that our Y1 weapons didn't get brought forward.

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                          • Bungie simply has no concept of player choice.

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                          • Bearbeitet von GrayWulf25: 11/24/2016 9:48:18 AM
                            Wow. Since ROI dropped the set of available perks has been refined to ensure we get amazing combinations of great perks nearly every weapon... At first I thought I was very lucky to get 2 sniper rifles with Explosive Rounds + Fire-fly + Triple-tap...no they all seem to drop like that now. With the option to switch to Unflinching when desired. And every Scout rifle that drops has Explosive Rounds or HCR, many with Full-auto. Example: I have a The Wounded as follows: Perk 1: Explosive Rounds OR Full-auto Perk 2: Perfect Balance or Triple-tap Perk 3: Hidden Hand! OMFG Think that's good? Got a Keystone01 with HCR or Full-auto, Small-bore or 3rd Eye + Hidden Hand again! A Pilgrim with Secret Round + Perfect Balance/Hand-laid Stock/Small Bore + Full-auto We've never had it so good. Even the bad perks nobody wanted have been significantly improved. It's a massive perk giveaway for Destiny's finale. Quit moaning

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                          • Wanting to use one weapon for pvp is not healthy for any player, and i know thats not what your saying. Just dont let the experience be spoilt by rng not working in your favour. By the way full auto on hopscotch is terrible more powerful perks to have instead ( just my opinion)

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                              [quote]... something that has bothered me in the past about this game suddenly reared its ugly head.[/quote] Like your second personality?

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                            • What console do you play on dude?

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                              • SORRY....look at my warlock.

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                                • Well well well. told ya so.

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