no skill based is good it makes it chalanging and at the same time doesnt make it so i have to play against sweaty players with no chance of me winning

Instead mix the two so it gets rid of lag but doesn't make it an unfair and I fun and impossible experience for the majority of the player base aka causal players

Matches are too competitive. I want to play with a mix of no skill & high skill players. So I have a chance of 15+ kill streaks consistently... instead of trading with enemies to be stuck at a solid 1.0 kdr... not fun.

When a game has such strict SBMM that it will find players from the other side of the world purely to satisfy it's search parameters something is very wrong, I consistently face red bar players from all over the world due to this, hell it's not even their fault they are a red bar, it's Bungo's fault. I shouldn't be facing players in Brazil, Russia, U.A.E, Norway, America etc when I live in Australia. If it was finding similar players within the same country or regional area that would be fine, but even then there needs to be a ranked and unranked playlist, P2P lobbies that are spread across the world with players on a 300 ping to the host is not something that should ever happen in any FPS title, let alone one with the sheer amount of money behind it as Destiny. As far as some claims that the crucible would be unbearable for lesser players and every game a pubstomp, that's simply false. The top players are in the extreme minority, and as such would be sprinkled through games, where you would ideally find 10% really good players, 10% good players, 50% average players and 30% poor players. Speaking of the poor players, here's a newsflash for you Bungo, they don't improve by only playing other lesser players, in fact for the most part it simply reinforces bad habits, while sure they can crucible and chill, it doesn't do them any great benefit in terms of improving, and ensures a whole range of players ranked higher(yet there's no ranked playlists, do you see the Bungo logic)can't also go in the crucible and just have a relaxed game using different weapons. Speaking of Bungo logic, they say the crucible shouldn't be competitive nd that if we don't like to "try strikes" yes that's you Derek "douchecanoe" Carroll and your bunch of circlejerk cronies. Why then if it's not meant to be competitve and purely casual is Skill a major priority, why are you guys pushing this into the MLG, and why anytime you are asked a question you speak to your players with contempt, and not offer any sort of view that actually makes sense. As for going into a crucible game for enjoyment or to relax and mess around with different guns, that's simply something I am unable to do in this current climate, instead it's using meta everything and wondering many times per game how I didn't damage someone despite pumping 30 bullets into them. Another thing you have done is actually divide your playing group, I have buddies I raid with who won't play Crucible with me due to the SBMM, it's quite sad that you are "apparently" so proud of the community and players forging friendships, yet this inept mess you call Crucible causes some players to solo queue rather than play with others. This game needs Dedicated Servers, this game needs to actually prioritise Connection over Skill, this game needs to have ranked/unranked playlists, this game needs a minimum 60 tick rate, and most of all you need to listen to the people that pay your wages, that's us Bungo, the consumers, or maybe you've forgotten who that is.

1k likes, petition still unfinished...

✊ bump!!! I ain't scared of your high K/D people!!!! Bring tha heat! I rather go against the elite players than the red bar blinking Titan! I'd rather lose to Guys making plays versus red bar skipping shotgun warriors.

How many players still play Destiny? How many players that plays Destiny visit/use this forum? How many players that plays Destiny never visit/use this forum? How many players that are non English spoken playing Destiny? Does 10 - 20 youtuber or streamer represent every Destiny players worldwide? Does 1,000 forum member represent every Destiny players? What are the oppinion or standpoint about this matter from the other 100,000 or 1,000,000 players around the world? If a customer are not satisfy with a product then they would normally let their voice be heard. If a customer are satisfy with a product most of them would be silent and some would let a few words out.