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10/13/2016 7:36:17 PM
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Buff high impact, low rate of fire pulse rifles
In the current meta, high rate of fire low impact weapons are at the top.
Grasp, being the fastest firing pulse archtype, can reliably 3-4 burst an enemy in PVP.
The Hawksaw archtype (Blind Perdition, Outbreak Prime, etc) also reliably 3 bursts an enemy, occasionally taking 4.
The Nirwen's Mercy archtype (Hopscotch Pilgrim, Reflection Sum, NTTE) is a solid 3 burst kill.
The Spare Change archtype (Parthian Shot, Messenger) is also a very reliable 3 burst kill, with the very occasional 2 burst kill.
See the problem here? Almost all archtypes of pulse rifles can 3 burst an enemy. So why even use the high impact low RoF ones when you can do the same thing with a faster firing one? Using a low RoF pulse requires very good thumb work and precision; players that are skilled should be rewarded for using such a slow rate of fire weapon.
On top of that, getting a high impact pulse rifle to drop with a good roll is very rare and hard to come by. For the Parthian Shot or Spare Change to even be worth using, they at least need Counterbalance for their horrible horizontal recoil.
For these reasons, I believe that the high impact archtype of pulse rifles need a buff. They currently do 34 to the head, 23 to the body. A buff to them doing maybe 36-38 damage to the head would significantly help them get a more reliable 2 burst kill.
What do you guys think? I hope to see this change as it would make this class of weapon more usable in PVP.
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1 AntwortenHave you ever heard of the messenger? Because you will if this buff you are asking for goes through. And your gonna have a ton of salty people because the gun is no longer obtainable.
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6 AntwortenHow long have you been around? Just wondering because at the end of year 1, Hopscotch and Messenger ran the crucible. That's why they got knocked down and the other pulse's stepped in. It's been a long while since they've seen their glory days.
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Coming from someone who used a Messenger back in the day,(and later a FF/RR Hopscotch) plz no
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They were a 2 burst kill before and Bungie changed that. So that won't happen again...
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Give Parthion Shot a go. Works superbly on certain maps. They don't need a buff.
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9 AntwortenAll of the low RoF variants of Primary weapons suck. Math is hard as -blam!-. Just ask the sandbox crew at Bungie. They've had 2 years to balance basic weapons and aren't much closer now than they were at launch. Lack of diversity in weapon archetypes on the field directly relates to lack of parity, which is what we want; not wide-swinging shifts in meta.
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The problem is that if the pulse rifles could 2 burst, then they would be OP since they would have a much faster TTK
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The best solution would be to increase the damage but reduce the rate of fire slightly. Make them so they will reliably two shot people but slow them down a bit to keep them from being too strong.
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1 AntwortenI used the Lyudmilla for a while. More for fun than effectiveness, cause after the nerf, the way gun performed made the two bursts rare. So you had to be strategic. But honestly, with the vendor Parthian shot, I've actually gotten quite a few two bursts. Rodeo makes the recoil manageable. Honestly I think it has to do with armor. Lower armor players are easier to two burst if you have a body shot. Maybe two. High armor Titans are trickier
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Stop crying for buff ffs ....just play the game
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I agree. No reason to use high impact/ low RoF archetype when low impact/high RoF kills in 3 bursts also. Should be 2 bursts if all headshots are landed or else there's no benefit to switching guns ever.
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5 AntwortenA better fix would be to gimp the range on GoM and Clever Dragon archetype. They should not be able to cross map or even be competitive at mid range.
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Increase Impact on High Impact but reduce ROF to compensate. Should be 2 Burst kill with Headshots Decrease Impact of Low Impact to ensure its a 4 burst with Headshots.
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Bearbeitet von destinyfuture: 10/14/2016 4:35:15 AMcrazy talk no pulse riffle needs buffing, they inflict lots of stagger without armor rounds and can remove 90% of health with 2 burst
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25 AntwortenClever dragon will ruin pvp I'm calling it. As soon as it's sold.
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2 AntwortenI don't know outbreak prime is good where it's at.
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Buff primaries in general!
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Buff ALL auto rifles period.
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Use Lyudmila for OP pulse rifle domination
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It does seem strange that Grasp, Hawksaw, and Hopscotch are all 3 shot
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No don't buff low rof just nerf low rof to take 4-5 bursts to kill instead of doing the same damage as a hand cannon.
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Agreed. They were never OP to begin with. I was an avid user of the ORIGINAL Y1 Hopscotch Pilgrim. People cried OP, but the people who crying about it 1. Did not get 1 2. Mained Thorn/TLW in PVP exclusively. High Impact needs to go back to 38 to head, They are sadly at a disadvantage. If you miss a head shot against a Grasp, you are done. I am an avid Pulse Rifle fan and have been since Three Little Words/Super Pox/Fair and Square but the Clever Dragon is slowly ruining balance in PVP. We will see more once the weapons drops in IB and can be purchased. High ROF should not be able to obtain almost perfect stability.
