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9/29/2016 2:27:22 PM
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See, i personally would never do that but at the same time $350 is not a lot of money at all.
I'm older, i'm an engineer and things are different financially for everyone. I get that.
But would you have posted this if the listed price(which IS way too high, btw) was only like 50 bucks or something?
I'm not saying you're wrong, at all, but i fail to see the problem with this. They aren't cheating. They ARE making money off the game though. However this is not piracy. It's a service offered upon a paid for platform(the actual game). Like some guy picking you up for an Uber ride. Could Ford motor Co shut him down for using a product he purchased to profit from? That's one of a million examples, i'm sure you can extrapolate.
So while myself and MANY others would laugh at this I wouldn't say it's "wrong", it's up to the person whose willing to hire someone to play a video game for them. Leave it in their hands.
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350 isn't that much? Would you mind giving me 350?
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50 dollars is acceptable? Who in the right -blam!-ing mind spends money to unlock the first step of a quest that grants you a virtual item?
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some people have too much money that it means nothing to them but they're too selfish to give it away so they spend it frivolously on things like this. hell if I'm rich like that I'd chuck a stack of $100 bills at homeless people. not only I'm doing charity work but it's hella fun seeing the faces of those bums when they get hit with money in their faces lol
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Doesn't matter how rich you are, throwing $350 away for a gun in a video game is dumb. If it makes sense to someone, chances are they throw money at all kinds of stupid crap. No one gets rich by throwing their money away. And on the technical side I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to profit from the game without some sort of dividend or recognition going to the developer, or at least getting permission. Presumably Uber drivers pay a subscription or fee to use the service, paid streamers have to be approved (i think). Then there's the fact that if people are making money off selling stuff in Destiny they should be paying taxes on the profit etc etc, so its a pretty dubious area generally. Ultimately I imagine its up to Bungie, and they'd probably be within their rights to shut it down. Nintendo for example won't let any streamers use its games to make money so obviously the legislation is already there.
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Rich celebrities pay people to write tweets for them and manage their social media... Are they dumb. Maybe. Destiny is gone to a point where there are problems and having fun now has pre-requisites. Rich kids will do this. Trials carry service (google it) has a legit business to do it for people. It's legal and not breaking any rules. In a community where people will only raid with people who have got a particual weapon or emblem this is bound to happen. It's a self inflicted wound. Live with it.
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Yeah but those celebrities make money from their social media. Increasing their profile, flogging products, whatever, as far as they're concerned its a business expense. And most of them are thick as shit so it benefits them to have someone who can go 24 hours without spraying racist or homophobic comments all over the internet. You get some of these useless celebrities and they HAVE to keep posting on social media or all the morons will stop giving a shit. Then they lose their endorsements, their advertising contracts etc. You're right about trials carries, but you'd have to agree that the vast majority are done by streamers in exchange for subscriptions, not money. Even people dumb enough to pay for carries will look around for the best price, and if its $300 or hitting subscribe on youtube I know what most people will choose. Not that I like that either, as the incentive for those youtubers is also money although in a more roundabout way. And I don't find the community as bad as everyone makes out. Not had any issues finding or creating raid teams and generally anyone asking for specific things (apart from reasonable light level and weapon requirements) is someone to avoid anyway, as chances are they can't beat it and are looking for people to do it for them.
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Not all celebrities are thick. Some of them are better than me and you both as person and professionals in real life. Trials carry service (seriously google it mate as linking is pretty crap) charges 80 dollars etc for this crap. It's a business and legit as f. I don't disagree with u in principal about community but I have seen the toxicity change between y1 and y2 and now y3 got this new diseases spawning. Most of my 300 y1 friends have deserted this community for some other crap. I have to put up with so many fin retards just for pvp that raiding is just a pain now. I haven't seriously completed any raids as it's painful to get 6 decent people in a game who can stick together now. This was vanilla in y1.
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I'm not saying people don't pay for carries, I'm saying that the majority of carries are done by wannabe youtubers trying to increase their subscribers. And I really don't think that its a 'legit' business. You'd probably make more just going to work for minimum wage for 7 hours a day than doing trials carries. $80, split between two 'carriers; maybe on average an hour or so to find a buyer, fail once or twice and then go flawless, and then you've only got 3 and a half days to do as many carries as possible, plus its on the weekend! Only way they'd be making good money is if they were doing it back to back all day, and I just don't believe there's enough demand for it that thats the case.
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So let's get a few things clear. I am niether defending nor endorsing this crap. It's legit as in accordance with the law of the state/country. You cannot argue with that and niether can Bungie. They will have a hard legal time to prove that this service breaches a law or agreement like EULA. Trials carries is more than youtubing and follower ramping. [url=http://trialscarries.com]see this[/url] Scrubs will pay and they always do. This will grow and any business minded person will try to capitalise on this. It isn't a new thing in gaming world. Long time ago (pre MMO and net boom) a lot of Korean game cyber cafe allowed people to gather in massive LAN rooms to play Starcraft, Warcraft. These cyber cafe made money for their facilties... Home broadband and internet gaming killed this market. This new paid for service is just a new business twist for new things. I can see several variations of OP link in near future and even if I don't like them there will be a market for this and people will exploit it. As far as game developers are concerned... This is just going to help their sales in long run any way as more faithful players...
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Some people will pay I agree, same as some people must fall for those Nigerian email scams, its just not something I percieve as having a huge impact on the community. Maybe you're right that Bungie can't do anything, but obviously things have moved on since Starcraft first appeared and developers are much more proprietary about their intellectual property, and also laws regarding that kind of thing are more lax in certain parts of the world than others. You'd think that they could at least charge them for using their product to make money, like how TV networks charge more for business customers than domestic ones. And also, those internet cafe are just providing the infrastructure, they're not making money of in-game activities. Anyway, if they really wanted to shut these guys down I'm sure they could use other routes. Bet none of those guys are paying taxes, or registered as a business.
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Don't worry about taxes. The government is more efficient than Bungie in this regard if it comes to it (i.e. effort worth the reward). Bungie is lame for a lot of things and taken on these clowns is beyond them. It's a bad business but whatever makes money nowadays....
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Streamers don't have to get permission from any developer. They make their money from their channel and people donating and subscribing. Which is a twitch service. Streamers simply play the game
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Meant you tubers more than streamers I guess. They also make money from advertising and I was under the impression that they required approval for that. Maybe not the smaller guys, but I'm sure that people with hundreds of thousands of followers are vetted by bungie as it's a major marketing resource to them and they don't want people putting the wrong message out. And if they don't have to get permission how is it that Nintendo are able to stop people making videos using their games.
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I don't know about Nintendo, but you tubers don't need permission either. I forget his name, but there's a guy on YouTube who reviews alot of games and he roasts the shit out of destiny every time, nothing but bad to say. And bungie doesn't say anything about that.
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But then your entering shady territory surrounding press freedoms you know what I mean? Someone whose doing reviews is essentially a journalist, and s/he's governed by different laws to someone doing 'how to' videos for a specific game. I'm also sure that any reviewer will need to get permission to use footage or photos from the developer, as this is the case with print media, although I'm sure its very easy to get this permission. It would also reflect very badly on any developer who tried to suppress bad reviews and might get them in trouble with the various press watchdogs. Basically a reviewer isn't making money from Bungies product, they make money from adverts and use footage and gameplay from Bungie and a bunch of other developers. Someone who exclusively streams Destiny footage is dependant on Bungie for their income, and there's no way their favourite streamers (triplewreck, broman etc) haven't got some sort of deal in place with Bungie.
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If they get some sort of deal from bungie themselves, that's completely disclosed. Like any other streamer, their money doesn't come from a developer specifically. So you can't say the streamers get their money from bungie, because that's completely unknown. They get their money from subs, donations and sponsors. I see what your saying though
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Yes but Bungie markets them. They generate interest in Bungies game, Bungie gives them a platform by mentioning them on the website and inviting them to the live streams, which gets them more subscribers and consequently more ad-revenue. Its not just a clear cut transaction, but its definitely a mutually beneficial arrangement and there's no way they don't have to agree to certain standards and prerequisites before Bungie will give them that kind of exposure.
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Oh, by all means, i completely agree with you that it's pretty dumb. No question at all about that. And yes, after reading some more replies it seems you are correct, it's against the agreement to use destiny for profit and they will be banned if bungie looks at it. I was unaware of that. I stand corrected. Also, i think you do have to pay Uber but NOT the manufacturer of the vehicle you are using, for that example. I'm not 100% sure how it works but fleet cars are used in business all the time. once the person owns the product they can use it as they see fit. However, that little analogy doesn't apply if bungie has a user agreement explicitly stating you can't do what these young fellas are doing. So, like i said, i agree that if they're breaking the rules it should absolutely be stopped Have a good day bro!
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Well I guess with fleet cars therell be a clause in the rental agreement saying the buyer can use it for commercial purposes, and the supplier will have to have insurance for that. Point is they're leasing the asset so I guess what you do with it us up to you. Not quite sure how games work these days, bungie owns the servers I guess and we pay for access, but at no point does responsibility transfer to us as customers. Like you can pay for access to the cinema, but you don't own the film and you can't make money selling your iPhone recording of the film.
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Bearbeitet von Lieu: 9/29/2016 2:53:57 PMEdit: Actually scratch what I just said people will start shit with me lol
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Cool story bro
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Account sharing violates terms of service, but I agree with you. Let people do what they want. who cares????
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Holy shit!!!!! Another fan..... JAN HEIN whooooop whooooop I can't stand Jan but god i love "hit em with the heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeein" lmao May never surpase bababooey but it's so awesome how sports guys are using it on air.
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Bearbeitet von P3rfectEnemy: 9/29/2016 2:45:25 PMha, I'm an Engineer, my name is Josh and we both love Stern...is this a portal to another dimension and am I talking to myself??
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Wtf? Are you serious? Damn, that is weird. Let me guess, you listen to Stern and NPR, right? Next you're gonna say your wife's name is the same as mine hahahaha. have a good one bud.
