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The Current State of The Solar System on the eve of Rise of Iron

Hey everyone! Me again. Thought Id post another summary of the current state of things as they are right now in the Destiny universe before Rise of Iron. My last one went over rather well so I hope youll find this useful whether youre just starting out, coming back from hiatus, or just want to catch up :) enjoy! The Hive: Simply put, the Hive are in absolute chaos, or at least as much chaos as an insanely ancient species with sub ontological capabilities could be. Crota and his minions have been erased. His father Oryx, leader of the Hive (or more accurately, a very large part of it), his daughters, his entire court and leadership has been exterminated. To add to this, their Dreadnaught, the main base of Hive power in the system, has been badly damaged and is now infiltrated by Guardian and Cabal forces. The Hellmouth on the moon has been largely gutted and to make matters worse most of the Hive's more powerful servants (ie Telthor, Phogoth, the more powerful Wizards and Knights, etc) are dead. The power vaccum that Malok attempted to sieze has had a devastating effect on them and as of now remains unfilled. Still a threat, especially since the Taken are still appearing, but incapable of any major actions for the time being. The Vex: The Vex have experianced a large amount of setbacks, though due to the nature of the Vex its hard to really grasp the impact. They failed to mechanize and terraform Venus. They have lost a few Gatekeepers and their main seat of power, The Vault of Glass, has been gutted, with Atheon's loss a major setback to them. The Black Garden has been ravaged and the being we killed known as 'The Heart of The Black Garden' is, at least for now, dead. They have failed to stop both Guardians and the Taken from harrassing repair efforts and are now somewhat strained, struggling to adeqautley patch the hole created. Their forces in the system, far as we can tell, are hurting. While still a major threat, like the Hive they simply dont have the immediate capability to launch a major action. Worth monitering closely, but not losing sleep over. The Cabal. The Cabal have been, in a word, devastated. In fact, just about entirely annhilated. In a campaign similar to Napolean's against Russia, The Cabal have underestimated conditions, stretched themselves too thin, reacted insufficiently to changes in the strategic scope, and have failed to do any real damage or gain any real momentum. Their bases on Mars and Phobos were wiped out. Their entire command structure, including all of their Primus and Valus (roughly equal to Field Marschal and General, respectively) and hundreds of lesser officers have been killed, including their Psion Flayers (think intelligance officers) leaving them essentially blind, deaf, and dumb. Excursions to the Reef, Dreadnaught, and Mercury have ended in absolute failure. Their legions have been cut down to mere handfuls, all of which can not replenish loses and most of which are cut off from their supply lines. Inneffective tactics against very effective guerilla warfare by Guardians, surprise attacks from the Taken, and a brutal war of attrition against the Vex have brought them to their knees. The Cabal left are little more then a skeleton crew waiting to be finished off. They are incapable of any offensive action and barely holding their own defensive perimeters with exhausted, weary forces. The Fallen (per House) The House of Devils: Now hanging on by a thread, what was once the most powerful House on Earth has lost not one but TWO Archons, thier Prime Servitor, and their Kell. This, along with a myriad of unsuccessful endeavors, very strong Guardian offense, and the recent Taken attacks, have left them with more then one foot in the grave. Desperate, this House is likely to be dangerous by virtue of the fact that their back is against the wall. The House of Kings: This is now if not already the most significant Fallen threat in the system simply because we know very little about them, save that they have an interest in our Golden Age and tend to pull the strings of the other Houses from the shadows. Their Kell, Prime Servitor, and Archon are all well hidden, with a small number of Barons running things on their orders. It is known that they badly want the Travaler, and due to their secrecy its likely that they will make a move soon. The House of Winter: Another House that has all but collapsed, they have lost thier Kell, Draksis. Their Prime Servitor long dead, their valuable, crucial smaller servitors have been hit very hard. Their Archon is also dead, and after failing to join the House of Wolves, they are likely to fall and scatter from infighting. Currently not a threat, and likely not for a long time if ever again. The House of Wolves: With Skolas dead, Prime and Archon dead, their leadership and deadliest operatives dead, their supplies and infrastructure about gone, no known territtorial claims, and just a few lone wanders deperatly clinging to the name as they are pursued by the Reef and Vanguard, this House is essentially dead and is no threat. The House of Exile: Not really a threat to begin with, this House (if it can even be called that) has no real known leadership or supply point to make them dangerous. While its worrisome that the multitude of displaced Fallen from the other weak Houses may find their way here, theres no big threat from them of immediate concern. The Reef/House of Judgement The Reef has suffered extreme loses due to the House of Wolves' rebellion followed very closely by the Taken War. Among these are the majority of the Queen's fleet, which is the Reef's main military asset, the Queen, her brother, and her Techuens, who are possibly dead, but certainly MIA. Theyve also lost a large number of soldiers and material not easily replaced, which has left them vulnerable. House of Judgement has taken over as the spymaster and is aware of the issue, along with Petra Venj who has become the leader of the Awoken in the Reef, but the problem is not easily remedied. Due to the alliance between The City and The Reef, there is no threat that they pose to us. Theyve simply suffered harsh loses and will need time to replenish. The Nine Not a lot of information is availible and The Nine are, as always, mostly a mystery. However, they have been affected by the Taken War, at least to the extent that theyve suffered a weakened ally in The Reef (though the exact nature of their political relationship is hard to surmise, but seems, though strained, beneficial). They may have also suffered loses from the Taken/Hive directly, as the Jovians were passed by during The Dreadnaught's arrival, but this is as of now unconfirmed. Rasputin The Warmind of Earth is as of now best characterized as 'deeply anxious'. Due to a number of break ins from the Hive, the Taken, and the Fallen, and grudgingly increasingly dependent on the Guardians to save him, Rasputin is trying to bring this under control whilst also examing millions of win/lose scenarios as he searches for the best path to combat the Darkness. While he is yet to reach out to us and directly ally himself, he has been helpful in our securing of Golden Age Warsats, giving us schmatics and data to build weapons, and striking at our enemies to keep them off kilter. However, he is still very independant and makes it clear that he is not necessarily on our side so much as the side of existance in general. Currently capable of being a huge threat, but as of now he is more of a background figure with his own agenda. The City/Vanguard The biggest winners currently are us, and thats a very big and much needed change. We have arisen from the Taken War as the strongest force currently in the system, a point hard to argue for once. With the various enemy factions severly hurt and licking their wounds, The Tower and the Guardians who call it home have asserted themselves to be in a very strong position. This is capatilized by the slow but sure growth of the City's foundries and private sector, a resource boom due to the influx of both Guardian and private smart matter collection, along with a number of indicators of the Travalers growing strength and the increased number of Guardians joining already record ranks. Technological advancements and increased production capacity has made The City a crucial trade ally for The Reef as they rebuild. Ships are now being built from scratch instead of partially reconstructed Golden Age salvage, and if Eververse and the Factions are any indicator, the business strength of The City is growing too. This is the time to restock and prepare for the coming struggles, but also start shifting to a more offensive posture. The Vanguard has already seen huge gains; aside from the already listed loses inflicted on their enemies, theyve come under possession of more land and strategic locations, infiltrated The Dreadnaught, and have consolidated their intelligence and power to more effectively function as a proper military force and less of a rag tag group of advisors. We have come a very long way from a surrounded City huddling under a dying God as we wait for the final blow. Over a short time, weve really become the big winners of the recent conflicts, and hopefully we can maintain that momentum. Hope this guide helped! If I made any mistakes or missed anything major, just let me know and Ill fix it as soon as possible. Edit: A lot of people are confused or not reading, but either way let me clarify: this is CURRENT INFO KNOWN AT THIS EXACT MOMENT. Meaning SIVA isnt a relevent thing yet, the Cabal do NOT have reinforcements yet, no one else knows the Queen/Her Brother is alive yet, etc. This is an analysis of the current players in our solar system right now only.
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  • So basically, every was just punched in the face besides the Guardians.

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    • I will read this while taking a poop tomorrow morning. Thank you and well done.

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      Interestingly, the Grimoire for the Queen (found in "Allies"), has a card called "The Coven". Savathun is known to have a Coven. (See, Books of Sorrow, "XLVI: The Gift Mast", "For a hundred years Savathun keeps secret [i]covens [/i]among the harmony...") There is discussion that Eris was referring to either Mara Sov or Savathun at the end of the Regicide mission. What if they are one and the same? There is further evidence that this might be the case. Savathun, Xivu Arath and Oryx had been learning about the Vex and time. In "The Coven" card, Illlyn stated that a defeat would be "here, now. Not there, then." It is possible that Savathun/Mara was operating in two different times/dimensions. She knew that she would be defeated in this time/dimension, but that it would lead to another ending somewhere/sometime else. Additionally, "The Gift Mast", referenced above, states that Savathun parts ways with her siblings to grow "different". Prior books of sorrow suggest that Savathun wanted to be a mother most of all (in fact, this could suggest that Savathun's real purpose was not deceit, but to be a mother...). Moreover, other books suggest Savathun was dissatisfied with the sword logic and endless war. (See, e.g., Book XLVIII, "Savathun asks if I am as much a slave of the Deep as my Taken. She asks what price I pay for my power...") She knew that their state, i.e, feeding the worm, was not a tenable position, since the worm would continue to grow inside them and ultimately destroy them. In Book XLIV Savathun states she is not convinced that their way is correct: "We might yet be wrong." Also, look at the end of that book, which states that Savathun had already thought of the fact that the proof of their plan is sealed when the most dominant being kills the weaker. This suggests that Savathun would try to kill Oryx permanently. She needs the guardians to do that. This is possible evidence that Savathun was helping Eris. Finally, Book II, states, "I am Taox, sterile mother, teacher to the children of the Osmium Throne. As a mother, I live long..." Also, book I states, "MOTHERS...They live much longer than ten years..." The others only live 10 years, but because they entered into a pact with the worms, they can live longer so long as they feed their worms and through their sword logic. It makes sense that Savathun would want to be a mother then, since it could prolong her life without her worm. Motherhood was her original desired form, not cunning/deceipt. See also, Book V, which states, "I want to be a mother not because I want to spawn but because I want a long life. Long enough to make a difference..." She left that path when Oryx/Aurash presented an alternative to long life through the worm. By returning to her true form, she could destroy her worm (however that works...), become a mother, then live longer... Maybe if she became a mother, her fetus could eat the worm, thereby killing the parasitic host. Win, Win! In any case, I believe Mara Sov is Savathun, who may now be in league with Taox and who is "helping" Eris and the guardians to defeat Oryx. If this is true, things will get very interesting when Xivu Arath, the god of war, comes back after her time apart. What did she learn while away? Post Script - The Crow still lives. This is evidenced by the card, "The Aftermath", found in the Grimoire for "The Queen" in "Allies".

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      • This was a fantastic read, guardian! I hate walls of text and usually ignore the content, but your well written, concise and constructed info was a pleasure. Thanks for the Intel. See you on the frontline! Over and out, Square

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        • I'm not sure that the Reef is an Ally to the Nine any longer. Freeing Skolas after being given him as a gift sends a pretty clear message I would think. This is just speculation, with very little to support it thus far but I think the Nine are the surviving Ahamkara and that the Queen who is not really dead has used the Harbingers to take control of the dreadnaught and potentially Oryx's Throne World to prepare for a future war against the Nine. [b]Why do I think the Nine are the Ahamkara?[/b] They collect strange coins, Xur even infers that the coins themselves have little value to the Nine, saying he is the trash collector of the Nine etc. Strange coins fit the bill of treasure and what giant winged beasts like to collect mountains of treasure? Dragons, aka the Ahamkara. The Ahamkara are also supposedly somehow connected or similar to the worm gods, which would explain how they can subvert Xur's will. [b]Why do I think the Queen is taking control of the Dreadnaught?[/b] In [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf-Vv2mXnJA]this cutscene[/url] for the Taken King along with the grimoire card about [url=http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/the-coven?highlight=the+coven]the Coven[/url] we know there is a bigger plan at play then what we see in the campaign. The harbingers (the name alone implies things to come) seem to have little or no effect on the dreadnaught, but upon closer viewing it almost looks like they are absorbing into it, and the grimoire card the Coven states that they were sent to burrow into a dead thing and make babies, the Dreadnaught is literally made of a dead worm god and harbingers making babies could be interpreted as making more harbingers or maybe converting the dreadnaught from within somehow. Some have gone so far as to speculate that when we see the queen's eyes dim that she has somehow transferred her consciousness into one of the harbingers. [b]How does the Queen know who Oryx is?[/b] In the cutscene she speaks to Oryx saying "You and I, knew how this would end, ever since you crawled from that...pit", how does the Awoken Queen know about Oryx and speak to him as if she had been there when he climbed from the pit? Well in one of the [url=http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-awoken-3?highlight=awoken]Awoken grimoire cards[/url] we see that at least one Awoken, who I believe is the Queen upon rising seemed to have voices inside her, that she was 2 parts, one part human and one part something else that whispered to her.. I believe that other part is Taox, which explains how she knows Oryx, how she would know how to take over the Dreadnaught, why she has a coven of witches, and why she is on a different level than the other Awoken.

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          • After reading this and all the speculation below, I just have to say I really f*cking love this game.

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          • The focus should be on cleaning the aliens from our homeworld. Kill them all. There are far too few instances of "Take a nuke to the center of the enemy ship" in this game and far too much...screwing around. Overwhelming fear and hatred is the appropriate response for threats we face, we need to use the Dreadnought as a prison, get it to the edge of the solar system and then detonate the core.

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            • I’ve just come out of a 1-year coma, Tbh, I don’t care about the current status of the Solar System as long as my favourite gorilla at Cincinnati Zoo is doing well.

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              • Bump so I can read later. Nice work man.

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                • Nice

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                • And my guardians are waiting eagerly to be ordered around by Reaper for an entire expansion.

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                • This is just one system though. Only a feaction of the entire Cabal fleet was here. But, the Empire got the distress signal. There are greater things to come...

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                  • Thank god we dont have to fight the flood

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                    • To your caveat about this exact moment, we do know right now that the cabal have requested reinforcements. And given what we know of them, we have to anticipate a serious attempt at retribution. The cabal are very likely viewed as a serious threat, if not an immediate one.

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                    • I think at this point SIVA has begun spreading, and the HoD have started to get into the wall. They haven't found SIVA yet, but they're close. We know this because last week you coil see some SIVA wires in the Rasputin strike.

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                      • I'm sure its been said before, but I thought the cabal we've fought was only a small fraction of the empire. As far as it stands, we know the cabal empire is being informed of what we've done to their forces but hasn't received the message yet and will act accordingly.

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                        • Well, considering the legions sent to our Solar System are only a fraction of the entire Cabal Empire, and a signal was sent to the head of the Empire informing them of the situation, I think it's safe to assume we just pissed them off rather than devastated them.

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                        • Aside from my nit-pickiness about spelling, very informational post. I'll try to contain my OCD.

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                          • Things we're going to deal with: Saladins issues and SIVA: Rise of Iron. The nine: Mysterious masters of Xur. Guardians? Enemy faction? Don't know, but we'll see them...as allies or enemies. The Ahamkara: They'll come back. There dead right now, but they'll definitely be back one day. Whether it's year three or ten. The Emperor: They got the message. The Stranger: She'll be back. Maybe with those peoples she was talking to during that one cutscene... The House of Kings: Without question the most dangerous fallen house. Probably the strongest of them all too. They're kings after all. Nokris: Oryx had a statue of him. During regicide. And I wonder who he is...or what it is anyway... The Traveller/Speaker: That white giant ball is evil. Calling it now. Randall the Vandall: Everyone dies when he actually starts taking things seriously.

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                            • Great post but I'd disagree with you on a couple of points. The Vault of Glass was an experiment in time and ontological weapons, not their main seat of power. The Vex come from another dimension. Their seat of power lies there. We have no way of telling what horrors and powers the Vex have, but Venus can only be a very small part of their plans. The Cabal may have lost one General, but armies usually have many Generals. They had one outpost on Mercury. As we've never seen their home world we have to assume it's a long distance away and so this is likely a small, remote outpost. The could have claimed millions of worlds and have an insurmountable army.

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                              • Can you do one for arc and void as well please?

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                                • I just want to know what year this whole game take place in.

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                                  • About the Cabal: Their empire is believed to span several solarsystems or atleast suggested too. The forces and different divisions we have seen are simply a scoutingteam. Compared to what the lore implies these are no legions of Cabal whom have been exterminated. These are just a small party sent to discover. I can't remember but I think it is the skyburner division that also was the less liked division by the ruling Cabal because of their failures in war. Offcourse we have desimated them with the help of vex and taken and their casualties are wide within the scoutingparty sent to the milkyway but see it like this: scoutingparty is hardly legions. If the Cabal was to wage total war against us I bet we would see a lot more powerfull Cabal (rip former year1 bulletsponge from cerberus vae) But yeah, this is a game and we have so far taken down the king (get it) of the suggested most powerfull race in the universe...so what can possibly be a threat anymore? Siva we will have wiped the first week.

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                                  • I never thought I would hear phogoth described as "powerful"

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                                    • In reference to the Jovians, in Destiny this typically means the colonies on Jupiter's moons. The Dreadnaught did not reach those.

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                                      • The majority of Cabal forces are out of our system, so I wouldn't say they have been decimated. More like falling back and regrouping.

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