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Tlw and thorn caused all the nerfs. Bungie needs to separate global hand cannon changes and exotic weapon changes. Legendaries were never really op and hawkmoon wasnt really bad either.

Bungie needs to shit or get off the pot on this one. I don't normally go to that point, because I respect all the work they do, even if we don't always like the results. But hand cannons are in a sort of prison of thought, and it's about time they got let out on parole. I understand that Hawkmoon and Thorn were a terror, and TLW was a tyrant. But they have fixed them to the point where they are either relatively balanced (thorn and TLW, as long as you stay the hell out of CQC) or less effective than legendaries (hello, Hawkmoon). Truthfully, Hawkmoon need to have it's last nerf removed, as it didn't really affect anything. It seemed more like spite than balancing, honestly. The idea was that if you had the skill, the gun should reward it. The sights are minimal, with negligible zoom factor, so make the best of that for long-range shooting. They require head shots for decent TTKs, and grossly punish misses. Master them, and you were a force of nature, fail to do that, and get eaten alive. But them the big 3 came in, and people got good with them. Really good. Good to the point that people have been quoted as saying, 'No matter what the question, Hawkmoon is always the answer.'. It wasn't balanced, I think we can all admit that. So in response, hand cannons got jailed. Initial shot inaccuracy, invisible bloom cones that require precise shot pacing and artificially inflate TTKs, ammo capacity limits, all to tame 3 guns down. They went from the high-skill gun to the weakest primary in the game. Recently, some of that was changed; ammo capacity went back up and initial inaccuracy was removed. Hand cannons were in a great place at that point (April update), and they were very usable and competitive without being OP. Then came the next update...aggressive damage fall-off came in to limit the range of the guns (in theory) because the balance teams wanted scouts to come up a bit (despite the fact that the reason they didn't was that maps aren't designed for them...). Additionally, a vague 'accuracy boost for low-range hand cannons' was put in. It reduced the need for shot pacing, but the circumstances at which it is effective haven't every been covered or explained. So we all have to keep pacing shots at below the rate of fire. On top of that, at least on strong range perk is now needed to keep the guns useful beyond a small envelope of ranges. Rangerfinder in particular became valuable, as it directly pushed back the drop-off range. So the focus went from finding the gun you like to finding one with certain perks only. Don't get me wrong, my high-range hand cannon and I still do everything together, but I have to play at a much higher level than I should. If I throw on an AR, I am shocked at how much easier everything is. I really think that the idea that these are short range weapons needs to die, that they shouldn't compete with anything else. They are damned tough guns to use well. I do very well with one, and I have earned that skill set through a mire of blood, sweat, tears, and frustration. I'm glad I did it, but I wish I wouldn't have had too, while I watched Mida, Hawksaw, Doctrine, Grasp, and a host of other weapons get kills faster and easier, with way less effort. I'm proud to be a great hand cannon user; I'm convinced that it was way tougher than with any other weapon type. It's really time to forget the past, in a way. We're really past the point where we believe that the weapon type makes the power; it's the perks and the RoF / Imapct balance. You can make almost any gun shoot effectively into scout range with the right perks. This is basically true, exotics sometimes withstanding. I get plenty of AR kills from stupid ranges, same for pulses, same for HC's. I earned that right by grinding for the guns that can do that. I can be killed just as easily, I just have more offensive and defensive options now. I think it's time that we got over this idea that we have to limit things down to keep other things up. The gun functions will limit them enough as it is, just let them out of the cages of damage fall-off and bloom. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying AR's should become some insane full-auto scout, but if you can actually land all of those shots on a head from 60 meters, congrats, you deserve my death, and I give it up willingly. Chances are you'll never do it, but if you do, congrats, good play. If you manage to CQC me with a sniper, props to you on a crazy shot, have some points. We really need to just get over gun 'concepts' and just have gun fights, and Bungie needs to understand that with perks, limiting the guns into zones won't work.

I wouldnt know, I've not been gifted with hands...

I'm a handcannon guy turned pulse rifle just because of this reason. I'm also a shotty guy turned fusion rifle. What I've been experiencing with the fusion rifles is that some of the close range shots are not registering. I always end up getting stabbed in the face after the fact. So, it's not just hand cannons. This is also happening with fusion rifles.