Bump. Jon Weisnewski has no clue. I've been preaching this in these forums for over a year. But I'm not a streamer. And I'm not on reddit. So my anecdotal feedback (meaning, from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE) is apparently irrelevant. I guess I need to be a professional video game player to get their attention. To be honest, I've given up on Destiny ever being the incredible game or could have been. It's run by idiots who listen to whiners and "test" the game in a highly controlled (and directly connected) test environment. And worse, lie to their customers. The amount of time I play is actually related to the fun level of the game. I used to play hours a day back in year 1. Now, maybe a couple hours when I can find time.

They will never, EVER stop nerfing PVE for PVP. It just won't ever happen. You can guarantee you'll be seeing all you loved either removed or nerfed shortly after each brand of nerf cries begin. It's come to the point where they're clearly saying if you don't like it, leave.

One point I totally agree with is the catering to streamers. I won't name names but there's one in particular who always says something is too OP.

Hey H Town, I agree with everything that you've said. I want to share my perspective on this issue as well. I'm like you in the sense that, the constant nerfs to weapons and sub-classes is what has ultimately ruined the experience for me in Destiny. I used to be in love with this game all the way up until The Taken King. I played the game every day after work, or whenever I could find the time to. I also really loved PVP during year one, as it was very fast-paced and primaries actually felt powerful. In fact, MOST weapons felt very powerful. That is of course, until the nerfs began to rain down - I am particularly referring to the constant auto rifle nerfs. The thing is that, after Pulse Rifles were nerfed shortly after the release of TTK, I went into a complete rage on these very forums. This was also the same period where Sunbreakers were nerfed, and fusion rifles were unnecessarily nerfed for like the 5th time in a row. Keep in mind, this is despite their own statistics showing otherwise (Thankfully, they seem to have stopped nerfing fusion rifles...for now). After a while, I have to be honest, I got a little tired of being angry about the game. I know a lot of people are blaming Bungie for many of these changes but, after some of the recent subclass nerfs, I KNOW that the community also plays a huge part in some of the balancing decisions at hand. At the end of the day, I honestly do feel that Bungie wants to make the majority of the player base happy. They have shown effort in this time and time again. Big emphasis on 'effort' because, I don't know who thought that it was a good idea to nerf the hunter knife. I'm glad that other players are excited for ROI. Really, I am. However, I have decided that I am not pre-ordering ROI. In fact, I won't be purchasing it at all unless I see some overall improvements (buffs, not nerfs) to weapons, I am particularity referring to primaries. Special weapons seem to be quite good among themselves, though certain archetypes are behind others. It's a shame, really. The truth is that, [b]Bungie[/b] isn't really what's ruining the game for me. I LOVE the guys who contribute to the game's sound and music development, artwork, gorgeous environments, and so forth. It is just the balancing/Sandbox team that is doing most of the damage for me. I really hate the idea of purchasing a new expansion to find an AWESOME weapon, only for it to be nerfed into oblivion because players find it "annoying" to deal with. No statistics or proof. You know, it's just "annoying" to deal with. Sorry but, I've had enough. On a positive note, Final Fantasy XV will be released shortly after ROI so, some of us still have something to look forward to! =)

[quote]you guys are going to nerf the shit out of them for the streamer/YouTuber/Trials community[/quote] I will say i've listened to and enjoyed several podcast discussions around Destiny but as a filthy casual i've noticed i enjoy a pretty different games than a lot of them. I often hear them talking about things that are either low on my list of priorities or not at all. They hate matchmaking i love it. They want everything hard and impossible and uber exclusive. I don't want everything super hard and exclusive. Their top priority is probably private matches and i think in all my multiplayer shooter playing i've rarely ever used that feature in a real match and only when just playing against bots or something. Not that i'm against it. But i heard someone complaining that this and that was too easy, like Challenge mode. I'm fine with what challenge mode was. People quit Skolas cause it was too much of a pain in the ass. I heard them asking for more grind and saying "they don't want weapons do drop readily because they like not getting things for months and then the euphoria of it dropping." I guess that's fine if you game for a living and have that many chances to get great drops but the average player doesn't and often just quits. Me i didn't like going 9 months to get a gjallahorn only to have it nerfed then not carried over a month or so later. I hated getting my first suros like in June after suros and autorifles are nerfed. Like, i quit doing kings fall because after a couple times through on i got all shards. Like three hours wasted for shards. I got shards on a Hard mode. I was pissed. That was not my idea of enjoyable. I get streamers have an opinion and it's a valid one and they are entitled to express it. Me, i just differ in terms of what i find fun.

I'll get rise of iron to put a completion on this shit storm that I have so much time in, but I'm not expecting much. Destiny 2 on the other hand, no way. If PVE and PVP aren't separated no force in the universe will get me to go there. Hell no.

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[quote]Throughout the life of this game so far, every single DLC seems to come with more things taken away, more nerfs given and more frustration among a large amount of players. I just deleted a long detailed account of all of that in favor of keeping this short. Any other long time players know what I am talking about.[/quote] Bump. Destiny got me hooked with their slogan "BECOME LEGEND." But with every Patch, every DLC, we lose something. We lose gear and abilities due to nerfs or forced obsolescence. We lose different weapons perks because of accusations that they are game-breaking. We lose the things that we enjoyed up till that point- the things that we used to carve out our own legends. Yes, I understand, new DLC, new content brings new gear, and old gear will occasionally be left behind. But when MMO's do this to you, they always make sure that the gear that you are getting is BETTER than that came before it. They do this to make sure the player feels power progression as your character actually DOES grow in power. What Destiny has done, instead, is put this model on its head. With Y2, we received a LOT of new gear, lots of new exotic weapons, and lots of new perks. Do any of them really feel like they represent a power progression from Y1? The answer is a resounding "NO." Other than the increased light level, Y1 gear is hands down better than Y2 gear. General, passive perks are always going to be better than highly situational perks that rarely proc, and when they do, the difference is barely noticeable, if it is noticeable at all. And for all those who will say the Y1 guns broke PVP and had to be left behind? - Yeah, PVP is the ONLY area in which they can still be used effectively. So that argument doesn't hold water in the slightest. The reason why the MMO model of gear progression doesn't work in Destiny? In MMO's, equivalent of legendary and exotic gear are available at all levels, but their quality is generally tiered in relation to your level. So as you increase in level, you will leave gear behind, but you will make that choice for yourself, and it WILL be replaced with better gear. In Destiny, once you are level 40, you use EVERYTHING in the game. So there is no need to leave pieces of gear behind - they are all tiered to your level at the max level. Rather than be so focused on forcing us to use the new stuff, they should just let us use what we want to. What is it to them if I still want to use VoC. If I get a Treads Upon Stars with the same exact roll, aren't I already using the same gun anyways? Albeit with an orange colored bullet? It makes no sense for us to leave favorite guns behind when the new guns are just reskins of our favorite guns - with lesser perks and without burn. There is something philosophically wrong with Destiny's model of DLC's, as each represents a contraction rather than an expansion. Each DLC actually reduces the amount of relevant activities we have to play because it makes everything that came before it completely obsolete. While we are all starved for new content, after the first 2 weeks is over and we've completed everything, we're going to be limited to a handful of activities. The new raid, PVP, maybe the nightfall/strikes if you are masochistic. Its hard to get really excited for all of that. The new content isn't bringing anything game-changing from my perspective because its not a change of how the game is managed or how it is progressing. So it is much harder for me to justify throwing good money out there just to get more of the same.

Your question "When will you guys at Bungie finally stand up to the streamers?" is the wrong question to ask. The question you [i]should[/i] be asking is "When will you guys act like a AAA studio and balance your game and quit ripping out content?" -Beta/Day One Player

I totally agree about Bungie sucking up to people like Triplewreck and I just don't get it. The guy is a tool and his followers have more than one stepdad.