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Bearbeitet von X-LoganX:
7/18/2016 4:22:35 PM
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So Bungie...how many sniper threads does it take to acknowledge there's a problem?
Deny it or spin it all you want.
Your precious news story about [b]Destiny Trials Report[/b] clearly showed everyone that snipers are used over 70% of the time in trials. [b]70% fukin percent. [/b]
So tell me, how does this fit into your "vision" of having guardians have the most choice of gear?
Snipers are effective most ranges except the closest.
How does this fit into your "vision" of having weaponry not infringe on other weapon effective range?
Yes yes Trials is about the best of the best who want the quickest most effective weapons. I get that. It still doesn't fit into their vision of weapon balance.
Oh and also yes I'm not a Trials player so you may think my opinion on this doesn't have weight. However there's been to much touch to this imbalance shown to us that anyone can really make this argument.
I am a primarily pvp player and thid absolutely does bleed over to regular pvp. Especially the 3v3 modes.
Combine all this with the poor implementation of flinch and the fact that you can continually peg a sniper in the noggin and they can still get accurate shots off and you have the state we're in today.
Your attempts at helping this situation have failed miserably. Some of even had to reverse and revamp.
What exactly is it going to take from the community for you to find admit there's a problem and actually do something about it rather than these band-aid approaches?
Edit: To be clear this post is just to point out the amount of sniper thread that have emerged just in the past couple of weeks and they are fairly consistent in describing what's wrong.
The mention of Trials Reports is just to show that the evidence of the current sniper meta goes against Bungie's reasoning for changing other metas but they have not touched Sniping in any significant way.
To be clear, the Main issue I see consistently is that the mechanics that should allow proper challenging of sniping are broken. Flinch is either to insignificant or too easy to predict and there's no enhanced penalty for getting shot in the head while ADS.
These are the main ideas from the other threads that have been out there.
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3 AntwortenSo there's been like 8 More sniper thread since this started losing steam. Way to go Bungie. Keep denying there's a problem. I've refined my mantra on this. Flinch movement needs to be randomized and [b]not [/b]re-center. This would mean that actual[b] thumb skill [/b](Something Bungie talk about wanting to promote) is needed to reacquire your target instead of timing a broken mechanic.
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3 Antworten"This is your captain speaking, Call of Duty Airways will be landing, as soon as we have a game to offload those pesky passengers, who have fallen out of favour with the way that their tired franchise has changed. We can give no update on our ETA, as we are currently in a holding pattern. We expect a fair bit of turbulance, but we do not care , you have paid for your journey. Have a nice day."
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1 AntwortenJust add sway!!! Sorry hardscopers
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1 AntwortenJust stop. If they nerf snipers, they will be over nerfed and be unusable. Then everyone will switch to fusions and everyone will whine about them. And they will get nerfed. I suck with snipers but I have learned how to cope. Just do the same.
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4 AntwortenPrimaries need to stagger snipers more on critical hit aka headshot. Ppl sprinting should be knocked out of sprint slide to prevent shotgunners from killing u with less than a hair of life while u dome them the whole time... these changes will make primaries primary again...
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16 Antwortenyeah man there gonna get right on that nerf... then the next thing you cry about from dying to it to much will get nerfed too.. and again and again... its def gonna happen you will get your way....and guess what... it won't help.... you will still have something to complain about... something will always kill you and you will always cry about it its the nature of the weak. Players make this game and there will always be a player that out plays you no matter what game type or gun there using.... but hey at least you have forums to vent too... if it helps.
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5 AntwortenSnipers are heavily used in e-sports. Bungie wants there game in e-sports. There for snipers have remained largely untouched to keep the e-sports crowd happy. What better way to draw e-sports players then to make there most used gun the only viable choice in the game mode bungie wants to be the competitive e-sports game mode. Simple :-)
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1 AntwortenLeave snipers the way they are and bring back the old shotgun meta. Problem solved.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von GHOSTFACE: 7/16/2016 6:21:22 AMNERF ALL SNIPERS. They have been deserving a decent nerf since Bungie destroyed vanilla fusion rifles and nerfed shotguns 9 times during the felwinter era. Its time for snipers to get some nerfs.
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4 AntwortenYou wanna talk about it not fitting into the idea of free choice? Have you ever thought that maybe people just choose to use them? And that maybe people prefer them for what they're comfortable with?
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4 AntwortenI would say about 1 million. (because there isnt a problem ;) )
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5 AntwortenSo because people like using a gun, you want to nerf it. Jesus Christ nerfherders are annoying.
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It's sad that this topic has been trending but ignored by cozmo and his buddy deej.
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K69CamRomans 8:28 = expected end with Gods luv - alt
[quote]Deny it or spin it all you want. Your precious news story about [b]Destiny Trials Report[/b] clearly showed everyone that snipers are used over 70% of the time in trials. [b]70% fukin percent. [/b] So tell me, how does this fit into your "vision" of having guardians have the most choice of gear? Snipers are effective most ranges except the closest. How does this fit into your "vision" of having weaponry not infringe on other weapon effective range? Yes yes Trials is about the best of the best who want the quickest most effective weapons. I get that. It still doesn't fit into their vision of weapon balance. Oh and also yes I'm not a Trials player so you may think my opinion on this doesn't have weight. However there's been to much touch to this imbalance shown to us that anyone can really make this argument. I am a primarily pvp player and thid absolutely does bleed over to regular pvp. Especially the 3v3 modes. Combine all this with the poor implementation of flinch and the fact that you can continually peg a sniper in the noggin and they can still get accurate shots off and you have the state we're in today. Your attempts at helping this situation have failed miserably. Some of even had to reverse and revamp. What exactly is it going to take from the community for you to find admit there's a problem and actually do something about it rather than these band-aid approaches?[/quote] I agree that snipers badly need a nerf for pvp. They shouldn't be used to get hip-fire body shots then get punched for the kill. Nor should they be the fastest TTK weapons with double body shots. You can literally smack a sniper is the face even with high impact scouts and hand cannons and still lose the gun fight to double body shots from snipers. If Bungie refuses to change snipers because of streamers then we need blink jump returned back to normal and shotguns/fusions rifles back to year one status....you know, when the game was actually fun. -
5 AntwortenIt's time for them to be placed on the shelves in PvP only
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5 AntwortenBump. Increased flinch and complete de-scope when headshot. Done. Fixed. No, this would not affect PvE.
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1 AntwortenWhy sniper rifles should NOT be nerfed: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/209055316
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4 Antwortenjust people are getting better using snipers, you should do the same.
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2 AntwortenBungie -blam!-ed up when they made crucible by not keeping in mind you can't let every single thing you create into crucible and expect to be able to balance anything. Especially how they balance things. There will always be a go to, but in this case streamers won this battle...
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Snipers only really bother me in trials when teams abuse them by camping and never challenging you. I'll hit a sniper and he runs away and will wait for me to push another choke point. This continues for the entire match. Boring as fook if you ask me.
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11 AntwortenSo all I took from this is you'd like the flinch mechanic patched. Hate to burst your bubble but snipers come with the "unflinching" perk. Snipers also come with short gaze and explosive rounds. Do you want these patched as well? That would kill my sniper rifle. The reality is many people are being killed by guns in the crucible and they don't know how to stop dying. By all means nerf the snipers and hand out participation trophies. Whatever happened to "you win some and you lose some." Just have to use the old stand by. Git Gud Scrub! ! !
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2 AntwortenScrubs will be scrubs quit crying
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62 AntwortenThere is more shotgun usage then sniper usage. Numbers according to Guardian.gg June 1st 2016 to now Xbox Trials Snipers 22.44 - 38.16 Shotguns 14.38- 24. 6 Rift Shotguns 13.62 -15.51 Snipers 11.24 - 13.3 Rumble Shotguns 17.47-23.25 Snipers 4.27 - 8.53 Clash Shotguns 13.19 - 18.04 Snipers 8.48 - 12.31 Salvage shotguns 16.62 -19.42 Snipers 10.15-12.72 Control Shotguns 14.65 17.56 Snipers 7.27 10.92 Skirmish Shotguns 14.46 - 18.3 Snipers 13.74 -19.56 Seems like Trials is the only playlist where snipers truly dominate. Seems like shotguns are more of this imaginary problem.
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1 AntwortenShotguns users are alot more prevalent.. And only tlw or a well timed fusion can counter them at their range. Stay out of clothes range engagements to avoid shotguns. Stay out of sniper lanes and choke points to avoid getting killed by them.. It's not as big a problem as you make out. The recent nerf to snipers has helped a little bit. And the reason they are so prevalent in trials is because all the best players are there.. and believe me, even if you took their snipers away they would still dominate Destiny because theyre great players.
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2 AntwortenBump - been saying this for months. Snipe meta is arguably the worst meta since beta testing.
