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6/14/2016 1:20:34 AM
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The *New* Way Bungie Changes Things, and How It's Fundamentally Wrong
So, I just read the subclass and weapon changes. I won't be ranting about those changes. Instead, I'd like to draw special attention to a sentence in the paragraph about sunsingers.
"Sunsingers, while not out performing other classes, are still creating frustrating encounters."
Basically, this literally translates into "Sunsingers are not more powerful than other classes, but are obnoxious to fight against."
This ideal that brings upon the downfall of firebolts is fundamentally flawed. Essentially, they are changing the balance of the class not based upon the actual balance of the class in relation to others, but based on how obnoxious they are. This philosophy is so flawed I can't even begin to explain why. Please help me out here.
Let me give you an example:
"The Fourth Horseman, while not out performing other guns, is still creating frustrating encounters."
This philosophy is quite literally, "Something is not overpowered, but it is obnoxious. Therefore, it should get nerfed."
Think of how flawed this is. Imagine the endless balance patches and changes that will result not from something being overpowered, but from something being obnoxious. Think about that.
Yeah, I'm a sunsinger. Yeah, I'm pissed about the changes. Not becuase I don't think they should be nerfed. I'm simply upset at the reasoning they give. It's a pathetic excuse and opens the door for more things to be changed with the same excuse. It's upsetting, and we should be careful about this sort of thing moving forward.
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This is what you get for continuously defending/supporting them. They don't care about your feelings.
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2 AntwortenThey nerfed throwing knives. [spoiler]Nobody -blam!-ing asked for that!![/spoiler] [b][i]Are they just fùcking with us now!?[/i][/b] [b][][][][/b]
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3 AntwortenWhatever happened to Bungie's philosophy of letting you play how you want and creating rotating metas? Guess that was short lived. I'm just tired of everything I like being nerfed, all the weopons becoming bland and underpowered, being forced to use something else because what I like now sucks. Bungie is a giant vacuum sucking all the fun out of this game one patch at a time. Play time continues to decrease with every patch until you have 10 streamers left whining about nerfs.
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They probably just did it just so people have something to talk about in Destiny
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what happened to not ranting and complaining? even a shorter rant than most is still a rant....just play....just adapt....or even use a different class or subclass.
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13 AntwortenBungie definitely worded it weird, but I'd look at it like like this. Sunsingers themselves are not broken, they have their strengths and weaknesses. However, one strength (which happened to be the fire bolt, ignite, Viking funeral combo) just so happened to be too strong. It needed to be reigned back in a way, and I feel like this adjustment may just do that. Let's look at another example, The Last Word pre-April update. It was pretty weak at longer ranges, but excelled extremely in close up situations. In fact, it was seen as too effective as many were constantly landing 2 hip fire head shots for kills. Now although personally I believe it should reward players for doing that, Bungie saw it as too rewarding and that is understandable. It is still very good at close range, there's no denying that. I think both situations are similar, and hopefully the change made for the Sunsinger class will not destroy this combo, but help tone it down which it certainly needs. TL;DR- Sunsingers as a whole are not OP, however the fire bolt+burn combo was too strong and needed a fix. Bungie could have chosen a much better choice of words to describe that. If you do read all of it, I hope it helps. If not, feel free to reply so we can discuss it more.
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1 AntwortenYou think to much it's a game.
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8 AntwortenLmao!!! Multi-billion dollar company knows nothing about making a good game. Random Internet kid has all the answers. Sounds about right.
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7 AntwortenNow sunsingers will know what it's like to play like real men. Finally. Relish this opportunity brothers, it will make you stronger [spoiler]or weaker, if you relied on burn DoT to do your work for you[/spoiler]
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1 AntwortenBasically the update is everything you like to do bungie noticed! Now they want you to try things you don't like to do, because........................ [spoiler] ? [/spoiler]
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If obnoxious fixes were their main objective,, you'd think lag in pvp would be the biggest gripe from the community.
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14 AntwortenHere is the flaw in your logic bucko If fighting in the crucible has annoying facets to it and the FIREBOLT grenade tirades prove that true....and I dont care either way mind you....however IF so THEN bungie has a duty to make it less annoying to fight in crucible so people will spend more time there. Your theory is if its not broke dont fix it. And your definition of broke is unbalanced. For bungie , their definition of broke is also annoying as that cuts into peoplles desire to play. honestly no one cares if you are pissed. everyone cares about not being pissed IN the crucible. bungie took another step at solving this. btw they play the game also ....they know whats annoying so rant all you want but know you are wrong and in the minority. AND THAT is why bungie changed something not unbalanced.
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12 AntwortenI agree with the OP...however this "nerf" is actually going to make warlocks more powerful IMO. Because a lot of warlocks will switch from firebolts to fusions. You get hit with a firebolt, you're still alive, but you get stuck with a fusion and you're not. And because of that warlocks won't need to run viking funeral or touch of flame. Meaning they will be able to carry two grenades. Have fun getting stuck with fusions in the crucible much more frequently now. And when you come to the forums whining about how op fusion grenades are, remember that you are responsible with your whining about firebolts (this last sentence is not directed at the op, rather at all the people crying for firebolt nerfs).
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I don't get why everyone is upset by the change to viking funeral, running double fusion grenades has always been the better option.
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In the notes they kept saying "we want to make less annoying...less difficult...easier" in their language. And I'm just like what? Stupid terminology in a competitive game. The matches are so much longer now and time to kill is worse.
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5 AntwortenWhile I don't like the subclass and weapon changes, the thing that has me REALLY steamed is the time penalties in CoE. If you can manage to kill the bosses fast enough to not incur the time penalties, it is impossible to get the match high score. And now, if you delay long enough to use the assigned score bonus, you are -blam!- of all the score that you might accrue. Example: A friend and I played Tuesday. Our combined score, reported by the end of match statistics, was 29 thousand something. Our posted score on the sigil was under 6 thousand!!! If Bungie didn't break this, I don't know WTF broken is.
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1 AntwortenLet me rephrase the point then. The sunsingers are only in line with the other subclasses simply because you don't get a good consistancy with your super usages. That being said the change I would argue was a BUFF rather than a nerf for viking funeral. Now Sunsingers are much better in PVE with the change and it was a smart decision. Now you are more useful then a sacrificial lamb.
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I got hit by a firebolt w/ VFonce every three games (didn't play Trials), and had Shadestep so no big deal. The only thing I get frustrated about is the lag! Why is there so much? SBMM? Well then get rid of it!
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1 AntwortenFak Warlocks and their training wheel grenades. Tripmines take skills to stick. Your firebolt take no skills. Yet they both got nerfed because Bumgie wants us to use swarm grenades.
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I hate this update!
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Bungo just happens to be run by idiots no point in trying to make sense if it or caring. They'll ruin their game and players will deal with it. Fin.
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You are right op. They used the same wording for hunters. Its hilarious. My theory is they want to help casuals by giving them an op class- titans
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Bearbeitet von Thatmg7: 6/16/2016 2:37:58 AMRAIDS are obnoxious, can I just click the raid button then be given the loot for free, without having to play the content. CoO is obnoxious, can I just shoot the boss once then be given the loot. As it's stupid to limit artefacts to this mode. Or need items to play higher light version. Grinding is obnoxious, can you just spawn 335 light gear (or whatever is max) for me from a vendor for 100 glimmer. Not having god rolls is obnoxious, can I have a vendor that allows me to choose what weapon/armour/ghost/artefacts and stats/perks I get and buy the item for 10 glimmer. An it spawns with the choices I made. Year 1, content should all be upgradable to max light, it's obnoxious otherwise.
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von Elitespear: 6/15/2016 2:25:55 PMSunsingers were overpowered. It just so happens the people who knew how to use them were vastly outweighed by the ones who did not. So the average KD remains the same. In the right hands, they have a substantial advantage over every other subclass apart from night stalker, which was the other top tier class.
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2 AntwortenWow today has almost made me never want to look in these forums again. Everybody pitching the most massive fits about everything! Even the no salt zone was invaded by you pansies. Mf bungie, you cant fix anything bungie, you broke it bungie, you made my wife and kids leave me and got me hooked on crack bungie! Ugh ffs grow up. First, its a game, play it or dont but like your lil league coach said dont be a poor sport. Second, stop threatening to stop playing or acting like your entitled to something just cuz you play, or have been playing for a long time. If you dont wanna play then stop. It'll free up some extra server bandwidth and you can go cry about getting spawn killed in COD. Third, and most importantly, you didnt make the game. Or test the game. Or have any idea how hard it is to create such a fantastic FPS epic. Bungie did and thus they have the right to change the game anyway they see fit. Im full hunter and still rockin just fine. So, to all you poor lil, butt hurt, entitled ass clowns. Welcome to MY forum. Sit down. Relax. And have yourself a nice tall glass of shut the blam up!
