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6/14/2016 8:50:35 PM
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Seriously? More Nerfs? Yeah Because THAT'S What PvP Needs...
PvP is boring enough already. Why not just make things [b]BETTER[/b] instead of driving every weapon type into the ground like people have been asking you to since TTK ruined primary weapons?
Special weapons are so prevalent because all of our primaries shoot literal nerf bullets, you can't say "snipers are overused" or "shotguns are overused" and nerf the ammo of them, yet be blind to the fact that you caused it by making it so we couldn't fight back without having our own, c'mon now. People glitched special ammo in Trials when you took special ammo away on spawn because the slow time-to-kill of primaries isn't good enough to deter special weapons. Primaries used to be a reliable counter to special (and hell even heavy) weapons if you were good enough. Skill was more prevalent back then than in even this garbage matchmaking (which is meant to be BASED on skill), if the sniper/shotgunner/fusion rifler wasn't good at their job, they got annihilated by the primary weapon they challenged. Now that's no longer the case, a sniper misses their shot? Oh no worries they'll have two or three more attempts before someone finally whittles their health down enough to force them out of the battle. Shotgunner misses his first shot? No problem, just shoot a couple more shots and you'll finally kill the guy who's barely got you down to half health with a primary.
THIS GAME WAS NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM BUILT TO BE COMPETITIVE. SO JUST MAKE IT FUN AGAIN. PUT MATCHMAKING BACK TO HOUSE OF WOLVES STATUS, BUFF PRIMARIES, BUFF SPECIAL AMMO, GIVE BACK THE HEAVY AMMO IN 6V6, BUFF TRIPMINES AND WHATEVER ELSE JUST GOT NERFED, AND PUT CRUCIBLE BACK TO HOW IT FUNCTIONED IN VANILLA. THE MESSY, OVER-THE-TOP, RIDICULOUS PVP IT WAS [b]OBVIOUSLY[/b] MEANT TO BE. #Disappointment /Rant
Edit: For anyone who says "why don't you mention the buffs to PvE"
[quote]I'm a PvPer, yes I'm happy about the PvE buffs, but they don't really impact me. I'd rather focus on how PvP went from being fast-paced, varied and fun to full-second kill times, slow gameplay, specials being as effective as they are due to weak primaries, too much of an emphasis on teamshotting, and a battlefield full of literal nerf guns.[/quote]
Edit: Jesus f**king hell I go to sleep and wake up to 113 notifications... Welp
You guys broke my notifications lol gg
[b][i][u]NEW BALANCING IDEA:[/u][/i][/b][spoiler]-Go into Crucible in the director, instead of going into what we have now, you have 5 choices: Vanilla, TDB, HoW, the week between HoW and TTK, and TTK.
-You choose one, this is the state of Crucible that you will play in, once you select it you have a few game modes (maybe 3 random in each) to choose from (have a rotating system where they change each week) and you can go play in the era you want
-Your weapons, supers, grenades, all function as they would have at that time
-After a few months, Bungie look at the data (yes I'm telling them to actually use their data properly for once), they look to see which era had the most people engaged for the longest time, etc, and then adjust the next patch more in the direction of the most popular era[/spoiler]
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Bearbeitet von Aura: 6/14/2016 4:28:10 PM
Hat ein neues Thema gestartet: if people like all you didn't complain so much none of this would be happening?(7 Antworten))
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RIP Hunters. Supposedly the Agility based subclass but now has gotten every single aspect of their agility nerfed. GG BUNGO. day 1 player here, and IM OUT
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Question--is it more frustrating to get killed by a Blade Dancer who has to actually be near you to kill you OR a Storm Caller who can shock you 20 meters away, rebuild its' health and then keep on trucking??
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The saddest part of these nerfs is you can't nerf skill. Even if we all used the same perks on the same gun with the same sub-class load out someone is going to be killed more. All nerfs do is strip the joy out of your favorite set up that you like to use. Because come on once it's all said and done we just want to have fun.
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5 AntwortenYou've nailed this point right on the head, and no matter how many times we try to drive this point through those thick heads on the Bungie Sandbox Team, they just do not get it. You are 100% correct, Destiny [b]IS NOT[/b] a competitive game, nor will it [b]EVER[/b] be one, if Bungie would simply just understand that one truth, then they would see how these "adjustments" have been absolutely pointless. There will always be something at the top of the game, that's just the way things work. Instead of "breaking" PvE AND PvP by trying to nerf everything into the ground, they should have powered up the other weapons and classes. Honestly, this entire sandbox needs to hit the revert button back to Vanilla. Restart back at square one and then adjust things UP based on what needs to be changed. Continually nerfing everything down is going to do nothing but drive more players away from this game. You want to point a finger at anybody here? Point it at the people who continually believe this to be a competitive game, it's NEVER going to happen, PERIOD. The nature of this game simply does not allow it to be one, end of story.
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DO IT NOW VOTE HERE AND FIX DESTINY ONCE AND FOR ALL https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/206833892/0/0 Ps: Spread/spam the word
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AMEN!!!!
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Supers got pve buffs, pve is stupid easy anyways..
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22 AntwortenComing in the June update. No running, jumping, grenades, supers or Melee. You get rocks to throw at each other
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See D'eej Balls! I don't care that it's not actually his fault the game is going down the toilet with the turds they call "balance" patches to improve the "Fun" factor of the game ...but with a name like "D'eej" I can't resist firing all my nerfed non-hitting invisible rounds at once on his face! D'eej ...Are they trying to recreate a retro throw back to overly simplistic Halo weaponry and game play (since they can't seem to move on)? Follow me on this one for a moment... Isn't the whole concept of variable weaponry to create a combat tactical specialization that tips the scales against "balance" to gain a momentary tactical advantage over enemy combatants? Weapons should never be balanced. Right? They do call them arms races for a reason ...but, I guess I shouldn't expect a bunch of entitled millennials (or scrubs) sitting around in unprofessional work attire all day (yes ..you with the sandals and t-shirt on a national broadcast), with their little iPhone calculations, 5 sided dice, and toilet paper quality math and analytics (who have never carried an actual weapon on a real fire team), to understand the original vision of Destiny as a highly diverse tactically based shooter/combat sim? Yes it's a game everyone. A once great and uniquely competitive and diverse game that challenges skill and intellect. And it appears it is a game that is wasted on current entitled generations that have spurred a plague of entitled losers complaining about "balance out of frustration or obnoxiousness or fear"? Reading all these changes as a result of "Bungie, it's not fair that I'm getting killed over and over", brings back memories of grade school kickball and that whiney kid that insisted on having "do-overs" and it "not being fair" because he wouldn't admit to himself that he just plain sucked! And that maybe if he applied himself a little, he'd be successful and have a little fun. But, instead we have whole generations just like that kid who needs a participation trophy every time to compensate for his fragile self worth and inability to "have fun" in a competitive environment when losing to a better competitor. (Yes..millennials, playing outside in competitive sports was encouraged and not in alignment with the entitled culture of "everyone is a winner".). ...Destiny at its core ..is a complex tactical sim game that offers tremendous variability of weapon types, perqs, skills, and abilities to offset "balance" in tactical situations (or at least it did). So I've come to the conclusion ... that D'eej and all his t-shirt toting pot smoking dangle wearing friends have decided to forgo this original vision and create a "vanilla" shooter game for all those whiney 1st graders who can't comprehend or appreciate the complexity and tremendous value of calculus. I think, Bungie should have stood up and dropped their pants and shouted "See D'eej Balls!" Definitely much more appropriate cost effective response to all the whining ...and if you want "balance" go play Miss PacMan or pong or some shit game on your iPhone that requires no skill or thought; instead of complaining about how you've been wronged by "op" this or "op" that... To all those F'n whining kindergartners who want to "play" soldier but think that combat sims should be "fair" when you get your ass repeatedly kicked? I say "See D'eej Balls!" What say you tried and true Destiny diehards? ...Anyway, if you took offense to this post. Your "participation" sterling treasure reward and your "participation" candy 320 ghost are waiting for you at the post master (to make you feel like a winner again).
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2 AntwortenBearbeitet von Striker1000122: 6/15/2016 8:11:14 PMIt's class balance not nerf. lmfaooooo
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1 AntwortenIf Bungie actually wanted to balance the game it would be simple. Each player is assigned the same 3 identical weapons at the beginning of the match. Each match has different weapon sets that are random. Everyone using the identical weapons is actual balance. Everyone would have to become good with all weapon types to be competitive. But actual balance is boring, I'd rather have the chaos of year 1 any day.
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6 AntwortenVanilla would be everyone using vex. Dark below and house of wolves would be thorn. Early taken King would be pulse rifles. Late taken King would have a shit ton of variety.
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2 AntwortenWhy the -blam!- did they nerf hunters this much? I always thought hunters were the least op (okay night stalker was good) but this nerf was too much
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Bearbeitet von Kxsaii: 6/15/2016 6:58:25 PMThey're balancing is so stupid and on top of that we have lag, skill based matchmaking, more campers, and overall not having fun anymore like we used to and it sucks because we all know this game can be SO good but bungie and some people that complain we get a toned down crucible ,a whole bunch of try hards, laggy matches, rage quitters backing out, joining really late games, and then u get put on edge where you don't want to play destiny anymore and it's just sad. I feel bad for the new players that just bought this game because they are not gonna have fun like we did in year 1
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27 AntwortenBearbeitet von Fur Hammerlock: 6/14/2016 12:46:53 AMI didn't read your post because you disregarded the fact that there are more buffs than nerfs, and that the only real "nerf" was the 3% damage nerf to Tripmines, everything else had balance changes instead of number nerfs. There were no other number buffs or nerfs to [b]anything in Destiny[/b] that involves Crucible disregarding Super Abilities. You clearly weren't around in Year One if you think that it was sloppy, messy and had no meta. Because if you were, you would remember that Vanilla Destiny saw only the SUROS Regime and Vex Mythoclast being used before their respective nerfs - and if you didn't see a Regime, you instead saw a Shingen-C or Shadow Price.
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I hate how things get nerfed for the dumbest reasons. The Last Word got nerfed because Bungie said that people got good with it. WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT??????
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1 AntwortenI just read the change to hunters, and mind you I'm not usually one to complain about nerfs, but the changes are complete bs. They make me not want to upgrade my hunter anymore.
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Balancing Idea: [spoiler]Would be stuck in Vannila Destiny crucible for A while.[/spoiler]
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1 AntwortenThat new balancing idea of yours is genius
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6 AntwortenBearbeitet von Irish Banshee: 6/15/2016 4:38:00 AMMan.....people just always complain, no matter what people find a problem with something. Let's just give everyone the same armor, same weapons, same perks....then it will be something else . Cry , whine , and bitch when things don't go your way. Everyone who crys like this has ruined destiny. Light is giving away like candy on Halloween, drop rates increased, 3 of coins because whiners don't get exotics fast enough in year 1. Infusion because people cry about weapons they like and can't use them because the level isn't high enough...and now everyone has everything, no need to really play because you get everything handed to you so easy now and its still not good enough...they have bent over with these kind of complaints only to hear more....it's -blam!-ing annoying
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1 AntwortenI'm sorry but I have to disagree with your connect that this is not competitive, if that's the case then what are trials and iron banner? And people only used the special ammo bug before the nerf because of the 9 and 0 in trials, maybe if it was instead of flawless you got to the light house for winning 9 instead it wouldn't of been as bad
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You know..... The end of destiny there... I never though that but yea...there he is...
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Truth is Jon and Greg's salary is based off of the nerfs that they decide the game needs. I think it goes like this, Bungle Boss: Jon,Greg what have you guys been doing last few months? Jon: been studying the numbers,graphs and heat maps. Greg: yeah studying the numbers. Bungle Boss: so what did you come up with? Jon: Hawkmoon has to much stability Greg: yeah to much stability Jon: high ROF auto rifles are over powered Greg: yeah overpowered. Bungle Boss: ok sounds good. *boss leaves* Jon: whew that was close Greg: yeah close Jon: well at least we have a couple more months before we decide what else needs fixed. Greg: HaHaHaHa yeah fixed. Wait, were those nerfs actually broken? Jon: who cares. You want to get paid don't you? Greg: well yeah. Jon: then shut it and start trying to figure out what we can fix next.
