Shotguns are not broken and neither are snipers, if you get killed by one then you got outplayed.

Lmao if you think shotguns are op it gives it away that you're a year 2 scrub Back in year one shotguns could out sniper snipers across the maps with two legendary perks Shot package Hammer forged

Agreed. Shotguns finally need to be nerfed. It's a joke right now.

You're -blam!-ing retarded. Shotguns are every new player's go to secondary and even MY go to secondary. Not every body is good at sniping or waiting for a gun to charge up. I honestly can't. You're absolutely -blam!-ing retarded. [spoiler]-blam!-ing muted[/spoiler] [spoiler]-blam!-ing kys kid[/spoiler] Edit: lol. Read his motto. This kid apparently is a master of being muted.

Don't misconstrue kills with a weapon being overpowered or unbalanced. Shotguns are the most approachable secondary, so it's no wonder they nab the most secondary kills in these playlists. Their range and damage is fine and requires no further tweaking. In other words, leave them be. Things that do need to be addressed are: 1) Fusion Rifles and their shots are oddly linked to stability. Each pellet is released at a different time which means that your first pellet (or whatever you want to call it) is on target, but the rest follow the recoil of the FR. The pellets need to be released simultaneously so that players can gain further use of FR specific perks other than braced frame. 2) You should be descoped when ADS on a sniper and receive a crit. Body shots should offer moderate flinch. High Caliber rounds should natively descope the player whether body or head shot. 3) Overall, the entire perk system needs to be reworked. There are FAR too many absolutely useless and mundane perks that are there simply for the sake of an RNG mix up. They are fillers and were never intended to be used. Fix this by reworking or introducing better/usable perks in their stead.

Shotguns in this game doesn't even compare shotguns in BF4. Man you guys should play different games once in a while to see how guns are different

I keep telling people that shotguns will always be strong because of how small the maps are. Are they OP? Definitely not.

This game has 4 playstyle and I'll iterate. 1. Camp sniping. The guy that sits in one area and hard snipes corners and popular engagement zones. 2. Aggressive sniping. The quick scopes that can blown your head off up close and consistently. But usually they can't hard scope because of the differences. (I'm great at quick scoping but have issued long scoping. It's a difference of guns and playstyle) 3. I'm your face shotguns. The easiest tactic vs the majority of the population. Blink, slide, rush, Titan juggernaut, etc. 4. Camp shotgun. Very much like option 1, but around corners. Shotguns take very little skill but their range is an issue (meaning they're a cqc weapon). The maps are just small and tightly cornered. There are no big maps and that's the problem. The people that can snipe AND have the right sniper will almost never draw a shotgun. And why would they? I can use black spindle with snapshot and drop shotgunners like candy. Anybody who was here for felwinters bull**** will understand that Shotguns aren't so bad. Fusion rifles can snipe people and out range Shotguns right now. But again, this takes a little skill and good rolls to be abusive. But any decent gun with good rolls is abusive. AKA God roll longbow

Gets more kills overall =/= overpowered Do you know how many times shotguns have been nerfed? Enough for them to start nerfing the frames on switching to it and aiming it. That's about as ridiculous as nerfing revive time and overall ammo reserves. I think snipers have only ever been touched once, and that was to make it harder to scope people up close because apparently, all the other mountains had been worn down sooooo much, that the damn hill we call snipers started to BE a mountain by relativity. You know what i thought as soon as i saw that title? Maybe, just maybe, because its on the front page of #Destiny, that it might be someone critically looking at the position of shotguns. But no. It's someone trying to just throw numbers at the screen like bungie does now apparently, to justify whatever their heart desires. Which just so happens to be, you guessed it, the coup de grâce of this forum, more nerf posts. You know what your charts are saying, alongside the sniper vs shotgun debate you're pushing? Auto rifles and scouts are regularly above hand cannons and pulse rifles, as well as those auto rifles are regularly on top. Does this mean we need an auto rifle nerf? Absolutely not. That little bit up there about snipers being mountains by relativity? That is part of a comment i made a good while ago. When the mountains are eroded down to plains, and the plains into crevasses, the low hills will soon feel the cutting winds. What the hell am i saying there? That when you nerf what looks like a really good gun, sometimes even could be considered OP, something new takes its place as the "OP" thing to complain about. This has happened so much, that now stuff that wasn't OP at all beforehand, is now considered OP. Exhibit A: The damn MIDA. It has never been really looked at, its been left on its own. But as soon as it hits year 2, and Xur sells it for Christmas, people lose it. Because a decent, good gun, not an amazing gun, a DECENT all around gun is out there. So people cried nerf, and it lost its hidden rounds that staggered a bit. So when it comes to things being too strong, its not because that weapon IS that strong, not for the most part. Its because everything else has been made that weak. This endless cycle of "nerf this thing its the best right now", is going to kill this games fun. Which is just going to reinforce their feeling to make you powerful again every time they start your progress over, which, newsflash - is very likely to be this upcoming Rise of Iron DLC, making it y3. Don't believe me? Read the fine print in how to infuse a piece of gear. Get ready to redo your exotics, unless they decide to actually try balancing their game this time around and bring TTK along with Rise of Iron. [spoiler][quote]So, you tell me that all you get killed by is Snipers, and they're overpowered? Yeah, about that... [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=10&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=10&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=9&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=9&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=11&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=11&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=12&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=12&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=13&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=13&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=14&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=14&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=19&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=19&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=24&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=24&activity=0[/url] [url=http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=28&activity=0]http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-13&end=2016-06-11&mode=28&activity=0[/url] It looks like you're lying. Shotguns are far and away responsible for significantly more kills than Sniper Rifles in every playlist that isn't Trials and Skirmish. Whoops. You can lie, numbers don't. Edit 1: Guys. These are from the past [i]MONTH[/i]. Not since release. Look at the dates. Sorry to tell you, but shotguns are more lethal than snipers. MY edit: just to make sure you don't ninja edit this into some other post or make it like 2 words. All your base are belong to me.[/quote][/spoiler]

Bring back large maps, buff shotgun range, buff fusion rifle range, put the small maps in 3v3 like they were supposed to be, profit

Shotguns are perfect place. Snipers aren't. They need to be addressed.

*knock knock* Who Cares? Not this guy! You shoot bullets aswell in crucible why are we bitching here? Damn i hate to see you in a war scenario.