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Bearbeitet von Killlerschaf:
6/12/2016 11:01:25 PM
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Monthly reminder: Snipers still need a rebalance/rework
Weyloran kills with 2 bodyshots in 0.4 secs.
Doctrine has a TTK of 0.8 and the Hawkmoon archetype of 0.86.
1KYS kills with 2 bodyshots in 0.8 secs.
That sniper bodyshot TTK is already so incredibly broken from the get go. Every sniper in game kills faster or as fast as a primary, with 2 bodyshots.
I will tell you what snipers do not have in this game, which are standard balancing mechanics in other shooters.
Snipers in Destiny:
Don't have scope sway, don't have a low RoF, don't have a "hold your breath mechanic", don't have bloom while walking (CS is the best example) and ADS at the same time, basically suffer no flinch, have no high zoom scopes, aren't bolt action (and 99% of the community cannot use NLB), don't have a descope mechanic (Halo), don't have slow ADS speed, don't have bullet drop off (Battlefield), allow you to use a primary (CoD and CS never allowed for that), have no limitations on snipers per team (Halo, Battlefield and UT are good examples) and kill faster with 2 bodyshots than any primary.
Destiny snipers are broken because they have nearly 0 balancing mechanics attached to them, while primaries are weak as eff and other specials, just like blink, got nerfed into the ground.
I personally want a descope mechanic. That would fix every single issue with snipers in the game right now. But that's just my personal preference.
As my first paragraph has shown, massively decreasing the RoF across all archetypes, would already go a long way.
However, as long as an effective combination of balancing mechanics finally gets employed, I am more than happy.
So how should I say... There are very effective ways to cure the current issue of snipers in the Crucible.
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1 AntwortenAnyone else tired of putting a shit load of bullets into a sniper and somehow they still get a headshot kill?
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36 AntwortenDon't any of you know a sniper in real life is more powerful than any rifle or pistol. Why should a sniper rifle be on the same level as primary weapons when they should be more powerful
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I just want hold breath/scope sway. I'm tired of coming around a corner to get shot by the one guy far enough away to be off radar with his sniper pre-aimed at head level camping for that kill.
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I stopped reading at... [quote]Weyloran kills with 2 bodyshots[/quote] Like wtf, immediately your post is wrong. 3 bodyshots, no one uses that gun, you suck. Monthly reminder that people will cry for nerfs when they die IN A SHOOTER!!! #TitsOrGTFO
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It's been months since I've been on the forums. And you're STILL -blam!-ing bitching about everything under the sun lmao. What a god damn shame you sad twat.
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No why don't you people just stop. It's a god damn sniper rifle a weapon that has a tendency to tear people in half. It's a god damn blessing that it doesn't work like that in Destiny. Learn to counter them, if you can't leave Destiny and go back to baby's first shooter. It's not a difficult idea to comprehend here. Flanking and quick sprints in and out of cover while applying some cover fire is an excellent way to close the gap.
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Monthly reminder: OP is an idiot
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It's because primaries aren't as good as Vanilla, so secondaries TTK stand out more in comparison.
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If you prefer the way snipers work in other games then play those games. This is destiny, our guns work differently than battlefield or CoD, and there's nothing wrong with that. "But snipers take no skill to use" Then why are you bad with them? "Snipers ttk is ridiculous compared to primaries" As they should be, like most games, it's a sniper rifle c'mon! "It's not realistic, no real downside to using it" It's a video game, they're fun to use, but have limited ammo capacity now. Not to mention you lose radar when hard scoping so they can sometimes be easy to rush.
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4 AntwortenIt's funny, barely anyone complained about snipers in year 1. Yet here we are.
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2 AntwortenAt least you only do monthly reminders. Most do daily reminders. Assume everyone has a sniper and stop sticking your head where it doesn't belong.
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von ZvSpid: 6/12/2016 3:26:47 PMdid you even use snipers? sway while we are guardians? or breath when we are in space? flinch right now is unberable on snipers. if you get killed while shooting primary you probably just suck. if you move around while shoting your shots simply dont register. this also happens when getting shot with primary, even a 100% body shot does not register. Any of the mechanics you said would make them unusable. all of the games you said dont have things such as blink, titan skate, shadestep and many other things. how the hell are snipers gona play on maps which are 99% shotgun based with sway and breat while opponent is blinking around while sliding at you with shotty,? Il tell you why you think they are broken. when game launched everything was broken and sniping was impossible. we are 3rd year to the game and shotguns finally got nerf which is visible same with other op guns. if you could snipe back then you are semi god now. in short sentence "people got really good with them over the last 2 years"
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Good argument. I agree
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14 AntwortenCry about it dude. I swear to god all the year two players do Is bitch and moan when they get killed. No one complained about snipers or mida in year one but now we have little bitches crying about everything.
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3 AntwortenHow many whining posts is it going to take you? Are you part of this annoying group that every time a map with [b]VERY OBVIOUS SNIPING LANES[/b] comes up in trials, towards the end you come out in your hoards to complain on the forum in hopes of your nerfs to be implemented? Shotguns were extremely effective this weekend. One of the only 2 times I got 5-0'd in all of the games I did, were with a team of 3 shotguns. It's on you to deal with the equipment you have, but more importantly, what the enemy has. I'm sorry but its just getting boring seeing the same threads over and over. Even when I play terribly, or make stupid repeated mistakes, I try to remember this mantra - it's not the gun, or the guardian's you're against fault you died. It's your fault for offering them the opportunity to kill you. In other words, if you died, its your fault.
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[quote]Weyloran kills with 2 bodyshots in 0.4 secs. Doctrine has a TTK of 0.8 and the Hawkmoon archetype of 0.86. 1KYS kills with 2 bodyshots in 0.8 secs. That sniper bodyshot TTK is already so incredibly broken from the get go. Every sniper in game kills faster or as fast as a primary, with 2 bodyshots. [/quote] Cant remember the last time when a guy killed me with 2 bodyshots from a sniper. [quote]I will tell you what snipers do not have in this game, which are standard balancing mechanics in other shooters. Snipers in Destiny: Don't have scope sway, don't have a low RoF, don't have a "hold your breath mechanic", don't have bloom while walking (CS is the best example)[/quote] Its actually a bad example since bloom came with csgo. Loved cs and css but csgo is bad. Its just about people buying skins. 2000 dollars for awp dragonlore skin, is that right? [quote]and ADS at the same time, basically suffer no flinch[/quote] The have flinch... try sniping while getting sprayed with a doctrine.. [quote], have no high zoom scopes,[/quote] They even buffed the zoom on the lowest scopes. Do you want to play with a telescope mounted on a sniper? [quote]aren't bolt action (99%of the community cannot use NLB), don't have a descope mechanic (Halo),[/quote] Every weapon does descope in halo (played all halos except 5) that could ads. And i might add that you could shoot on point noscope at halo (with snipers) [quote]don't have slow ADS speed, don't have bullet drop off (Battlefield),[/quote] Destinys maps are too small anyways [quote]allow you to use a primary (CoD and CS never allowed for that),[/quote] As far as i recall you have a primary and a secondary on both of these games. Now tell me how tlw+sniper is different to awp+deagle. Except that you have way more ammo in cod and cs [quote]have no limitations on snipers per team (Halo, Battlefield and UT are good examples) and kill faster with 2 bodyshots than any primary. [/quote] Actually bad examples. Halo and ut are arena shooters where its important to control and time weapon spawns. Destiny is loadout based. And as far as i can recall class limitations in battlefield depend on the settings of the current server youre on. [quote]Destiny snipers are broken because they have nearly 0 balancing mechanics attached to them, while primaries are weak as eff and other specials, just like blink, got nerfed into the ground. I personally want a descope mechanic. That would fix every single issue with snipers in the game right now. But that's just my personal preference. As my first paragraph has shown, massively decreasing the RoF across all archetypes, would already go a long way. However, as long as an effective combination of balancing mechanics finally gets employed, I am more than happy. So how should I say... There are very effective ways to cure the current issue of snipers in the Crucible.[/quote] The issue is more the community that always cries for nerfs.
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3 Antworten1. You've posted some bs examples that are not factual. For example UT NEVER limited snipers at all. You have other crap, but I'll leave it at that. 2. You have not considered the consequences of you proposal other than how they'd serve YOUR OPINION of what would make the world right with snipers. Descope is the silver bullet for you people but you're all thinking very one sided lol No game design experience at all and you fools all of a sudden know how to balance things. Get real
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3 AntwortenAnyone else still do PvE?
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Nerf everything so we can play something else.
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Quickdraw needs to be removed on snipers and exempted from the bladedancer perk. Switching to and from a sniper should be painfully slow. Reduce sniper body shot damage by 2/3 third, increase the critical multiplier. No more bodyshots, no more double tapping, no more body shot switch to primary finish.
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Stow/ equip times need to change. The sniper body shot / primary combo is the most broken thing about snipers. I bet that this combo actually skews the numbers for overall sniper kills, makes them look less overused.
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I agree with you, return snipers to pre-April update, but nerf bodyshot DAMAGE to the floor. Three shot body shot for every sniper archtype except Efrideet's Spear.
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4 AntwortenIt's like you don't understand how a sniper is supposed to work, it's supposed to put out shit tons of damage, if you're in place long enough to get hit by 2 body shots from a sniper, you deserve the death.
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Shut the fvck up
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4 AntwortenMonthly reminder: these forums are still full of bitches
