im so furious about this. id rather face mida last word hawkmoon then auto rifles. its a serious problem if your using a hand cannon. i am above average hand cannon user and can handle any weapon but for some reason auto rifles win out every time against hand cannons. can you beat a auto rifle user ? yes if you shoot first but if he is shooting you at the same time 99 percent of the time he wins out. this is why hand cannons need a buff and they need to get rid of phantom bullets. i have no problems killing any other type of weapon.
surely you hand cannon users must know what im taking about. its especially noticable with those high rate of fire auto rifles. i once killed a doctorine with my hand cannon when we where shooting at the same time but we traded kills and i had to try so hard to get him down.
everything else in pvp seems balanced to me except for this.
no matter how fast or slow you pull the trigger on a hand cannon if both you and that auto rifle user start firing at the same time the hand cannon loses 99 percent of the time.
anyone notice this or have any thoughts on this. i hate having to switch to a pulse rifle in matches to compete with auto rifle users. i want to use a hand cannon 90 percent of the time.
for me auto rifles are boring to use i have some good ones but dont want to use them there boring!!!
in rumble someone could test this out have a auto rifle user and hand cannon guy face each other and have them shoot at the same time and see who wins 100 percent of the time.
i will say i dont use last word so i dont know if this is the exception.
EDIT2: i dont think i use hand cannons any differently then others its just that i hate being killed by a auto rifle when i get killed by other guns it does not faze me. i have been using my hawkmoon and can take out autos. i think the hawkmoon is the best to combat autos like doctorine. but ill try more testing. still rng bullets need to be eliminated.
all people know how to do is insult and they dont read very carefully.
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4 AntwortenSounds like your way to close to the autorifle user. Just sayin'
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I think it depends on the hand cannon. I kick some serious ass with my Finallas Peril. Plus, hand cannons can take cover, pop a corner and do 86 damage to the dome.
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4 AntwortenFast firing pulse rifles are what I hate the most, suros pdx and hawksaw are tearing my ass up. It is so annoying because everyone tries to get the same perks, stability perks, and they make your screen go crazyyyyy. Same for doctrine.
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To address the Phantom Bullets, in my experience they occur more often when you're trying to unload bullets as fast as you can. It's like any other game. Pick your battles. If you know you're playing vs bullet hose AR's and you're dead set on using your hand cannon, keep your safe distance. Even then don't count on always winning midrange engagements. That middle ground between mid and long range is where your hand cannons will win those HC vs Bullet Hose spots.
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3 AntwortenHand Cannons should never out shoot any auto unless that person with a hand cannon has the jump on you.
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1 AntwortenI read this same stuff over a year ago. It's actually quite amusing to see the discussion come full circle again.
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I have been using hawkmoon pretty frequently in crucible lately and don't have a problem with autos at all. They beat me in ranges where I should be beaten, no hard feelings on my end.
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32 AntwortenI'm incredibly sorry, but WELCOME TO WHAT AUTO RIFLE USERS FELT FOR OVER 6 MONTHS. Now that that is out of the way, all primaries need buffed. All primaries, regardless of perks, should have equal ttk, but at the same time they must fill a niche. Auto rifles and hand cannons are intended for close to mid range. Pulse and scout rifles are intended for mid to long range. Now, let me ask you this: what auto rifles are killing you? Is it the high rate of fire low impact archetype? Those currently own the field at close range right now. Low rate of fire, high impact auto rifles can't even compete. They need buffs as well.
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2 AntwortenAuto rifles need to be buff. Now auto rifles need to be nerfed. Nerf hand cannons. Buff hand cannons then nerf em again. Nerf pulse rifes. Nerf shot guns three times. Still complain no matter what bungie does. Noone will be happy with and update..doctrine just got a 2.5 damage decrease. Why do players want bungie to nerf guns into the ground. I dont see a problem with doctrine never have. Cant wait to see what the community will complain about next.. Auto rifles have never been a problem in ttk until now becuase thats really the only gun to complain about because its on of the few good guns left.
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17 AntwortenAbove average handcannon user with a 0.46 kd in trials? That's not really above average. I do get what you're saying but I'd you land your shots with a handcannon you can outgun most auto rifles except for the bullet hoses
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The flinch auto rifles give too much imo
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Back up?
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Anything wins against handcannons. They have been AIDS since 2.0. Same with shotguns. Pacing your shots just gets you killed faster. Fix your game, Bungie!
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Two words : last word That's your problem buddy, ur trying to close the distance on bullet hoses not a good idea
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Just git gud
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I use a fairly short range hand cannon, but if I want that kill against an auto rifle I have to be nimble. I play a hunter with hand cannon and do ALOT of jumping and evading. It's quite challenging and I usually lose out anyway. damn autos.....
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I understand ._. But my exception for countering those are my only handcannon I use all the time my Her Mercy ( LiTC, Braced frame, and Final Round) it works for everything :3 doctrine of passing usually beats it though so no luck there ._.
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I totally agree and know what your talking about I wish BUNGIE would in nerf sendit and start putting it on y2 hand cannons again. Hand cannons in y2 were so buttery in y1... That's what made me fall in love with this game the handcannons and trials but most of all the best, most smooth, shooting mechanics. Most of that's been nerfed and is gone now. It make you wonder what D2 crucible will be like..
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[b]It's the damn stagger perk that screws me over..[/b]
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3 AntwortenEyesluna does 3 shots to the head and dead. get you one of them and you'll occasionally win that fight!
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4 AntwortenMute for your auto-correct and phone functions not working properly. It's not capitalizing your words after a period. Fail.
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4 AntwortenChecked all 3 of your characters assuming they'd have hand cannons to see if I could make suggestions, but all 3 have ARs equipped. I have no idea what you normally use, but I'd recommend an eyasluna with range perks so you can try to stay out range of the ARs you have trouble with
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1 AntwortenI was consistently killing doctrine users with eyasluna, you must just be having bad luck
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People been saying auto rifles needed a buff since they got nerf and now people are bitching about tyem. Lol
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1 AntwortenIf your 'furious' just quit. Please. Sheesh
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Depends on the hand cannon. All guns have a range of efficacy. Against an auto-rifle at close/close-mid range (sometimes even mid), you've gotta be prepared to lose the gunfight. At long range, though, Hand Cannons will almost always win out against an Autorifle.