[url=https://youtu.be/5cqkkG-ZuTM][/url] So alot of debates have been going on recently about warlocks and I wish to argue that they do not need to be nerfed as many people would like to believe, of course people will have different opinions and that is fair enough, but I do wish to argue my case. This will mainly be in reference to firebolt grenades and the sunsinger class as a whole. 1) Sunsingers have been untouched since the beginning of destiny. I would say that if this class was so unbalanced it would have been fixed according long ago. Only now people have started complaining about it because they have ran out of things to complain about? I dont know, but im fairly confident that people can complain about anything that will kill them given enough time. EDIT: got nerfed back in update 2.0.0. Reducing the damage by 25% 2) Non-lethal+burn timer: Firebolt grenades when fully spec'd for are non lethal, while trip mines (hunter), lighting grenades (titans) are. The video which I have linked above demonstrates how powerful these other grenades are and much more so than firebolts which will not be able to kill a guardian by them selves. Also fair amount of the damage is done through burn, this in many cases will give a damaged reciever of a firebolt the possibility of at least taking the sunsinger out with them. One of the main complaints of the firebolt is how long it takes someone out of the fight, to take cover, stop burning and recover health/Shields. To this I say fair enough, I wont argue this, quite a popular fix for this is to decrease the time between ticks or have less ticks that do more damage. This will allow guardians to take the same amount of damage but over a shorter time frame. Allowing surviving guardians to return to the fight quicker. 3) Skill tree: A short point here that is usually overlooked is for these grenades to be effective 2 perks are needed (3 if you count the grenade node) meaning sunsingers are limited in other ways to make up for that. 4) Lack of super: Simply put in most cases a self res is the weakest super in the game, which are easily countered by shotguns, snipers, or in some cases 2 guardians with primaries. Usually apon self res you become a giant gold glowing target ending up with a -2 deaths on the scores. Essentially the grenades make up for this weakness. 5) Lack of other special abilities (ie shoulder charge, shade step, twilight garrison, smoke grenades (wombo combo)) warlocks are the only class not to have any of these extra abilities, to many times (braced for get gud remarks) have I walked round a corner to recieve a shoulder, quickly followed by about half a tonne of metal and meat, to the face. Causing an instant death with no chance of a counter while a sunsinger only has his grenades and palms at His (or her) disposal in terms of abilities. Let me know what you think of this and where you stand on the debate. Im open to discussion. Edit: shout out to z2204man who performed a poll. Also this is trending quite nicely now keep up the discussion :) [url=http://imgur.com/QjJNL71][/url] Edit 2: Another shoutout to georgetheAMAZING who has performed another poll. [url=http://imgur.com/ahhoL7X][/url] Edit 3: found the total Kd ratios per subclass on destiny tracker, heres the link: [url=http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population][/url] For Pvp K/D ratio: Gunslinger: 1 Blade dancer: 0.97 Striker: 0.94 Defender: 0.94 sunsinger: 0.96 Voidwalker: 0.93 Nightstalker: 1.1 Sunbreaker: 1.04 Stormcaller: 1.04