When it comes to abortion, the real question that's divisive is not if a women should have the right to control her own body, but where we as a society draw the line between what is a human life and what is technically part of a women's body.
I think everybody would agree that a human has certain basic rights. Some people would disagree on what those rights are but here at least, I'd fully expect people to agree that yes, the right to live is a basic human right.
So the real question of abortion comes down to this; "At what point in human development can we consider something "human" and thus meaning it has basic rights?
Well, let's first think about this question in a greater context. To be alive your brain needs to be functioning. Agreed? You can cut limbs off a person and as long as their brain is working they will still be living.
If somebody is brain dead are they dead? I would say certainly yes. Life in terms of humanity means having consciousness. If your body is still functioning but you're not thinking are you "you." Well obviously not.
The concept applies to software in a computer. If you stop running the software that software is "dead." The hardware (human body) is just the means to run the software and can still work without the software but without the software isn't not (alive.)
Point being, if we would not consider a full grown adult that is brain dead (but the body is still working) living, why would we not then consider a fetus that has no consciousness as also not alive. If the fetus is not alive then it is the property of mother and she can do what she pleases with it.
However, this then leads into another question. How do we define consciousness? Well, it's general accepted that having some form of self awareness or understanding of "one's self" generally means you have consciousness.
Do newborns have some understanding of self? I honestly don't know the answer to that question but the point when a human seems to be able to understand the world they exist in appears to be around the ages of a toddler. For the sake of this argument just assume that be to true. A great deal of "programming" happens around these ages and once it's complete the consciousness3.exe program boots up and a human is born!!!
Therefore, it does seem logically that children under the ages of 3 or 4 or somewhere around that period are not technically human and therefore don't have rights. Thus, abortion should be legal up until the point a child becomes self aware.
[spoiler] To clarify here; No I'm not 100% in support of this argument. I don't believe it should be legal for a mother/ father to harm a new born child. Ignoring the issue of not knowing when a child first becomes self aware at the point of birth there is a clear difference between an undeveloped fetus and a newborn child. For starters the unborn baby has a brain that functions. It can feel pain and while not self aware I would say generally causing pain to anything living should be criminal and should never be done.
For the most part; I think that line of reasoning applies to animals. I don't think it should be legal to subject a being that can feel pain to pain. I don't think for example it should be legal to just cut an animal's limb off. You know. Believe what you want but we as a society don't give equal rights to children. Children don't have the right to sign a contract. They don't have a right to their body. As far as society id concerned children are the property of their guardians and aren't "full people."
I have however always found it somewhat hypocritical that "pro life" supports would hold such grand value on a fetus that cannot feel or think but have no concern for the horrible conductions of some species of animals are put in. No living being that can feel pain should be subjected in such a way.[/spoiler]
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Darn "heart" year abortion
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ah yes lets not forget the controversial "heart" year abortion ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von Lord Bird I: 3/31/2016 2:06:55 PMI'm honestly just done with the morality discussions. Let the baby's parents decide if aborting is moral or not. Sentencing women to 18+ years of motherhood over a baby they didn't want just because they accidentally got pregnant isn't something we need in our society, and there are currently many more important issues to solve.
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1 Antworten"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."-Ronald Reagan
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What if the man doesn't want the Abortion ,but he doesn't have a choice because the women is in control?
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[quote]<3 year old abortion[/quote] I aborted my 2 and a half year old. He was just too crazy.
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5 AntwortenToo bad you weren't aborted. Also if you do have a kid I hope you kill it about 1 month after its second birthday. [spoiler]If you do have a kid that thing is fūcked.[/spoiler]
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乁( @ ͟ʖ @ )ㄏ
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6 AntwortenBearbeitet von MicroChango: 3/30/2016 8:26:48 PMYou're just jealous, that's all. Look at this baby's magnificent hairline.
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4 AntwortenNo offense to any one , but unless you are pregnant from -blam!- or from molestation , abortion should not be allowed. You made the choice to have sex , knowing full well it could lead to pregnancy. You made your' bad choice , you should not be able to keep another human being from ever making a choice because you made a bad one.
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2 AntwortenHi Lincoln! [i]~TheGreatReebok[/i]
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2 AntwortenWtf title makes no sense, <3 abortion? Dafuq? Are you say you love abortion
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Pretty sure its called murder after its born
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2 AntwortenThe only abortion I'd support would have been yours.
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This is dumb, even for you.
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2 AntwortenReal humanity is being able to look after those who are unable to do it themselves. Thus, those who would kill a child for being less self-aware are not human. In this instance your argument could be used against those who are autistic or have some other sort of disability. I think you did give your post some thought, but to be taken seriously it does require a little more research than just opinion and the comparison of human beings to computer software.
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1 Antworten[quote]When it comes to abortion, the real question that's divisive is not if a women should have the right to control her own body, [/quote] Yes... It is. I don't care what parasite is living inside of her, she deserves to have it eliminated. Pregnancy is like a 9 month, unrelenting, sickness. Followed by 18 years of hell on Earth. NOBODY deserves that. I don't give a SHIT if the thing inside her is human or not. She deserves to have it taken out and killed.
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1 AntwortenWho else read it as the argument for "heart" year old abortion
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Lol, I was reading it as "heart" makes more sense now
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1 AntwortenDestroy all fetuses.
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And without abortions I would starve
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Just kill all of the humans and let us robots inherit the earth [spoiler]COMMIE BASTARDS[/spoiler]
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I'm pretty sure that's called 'murder'
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10 AntwortenBearbeitet von remige: 3/31/2016 7:57:27 PMWe all know lincoln is drunk when he posts.
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The United States claims more civilian casualties overseas than they allow abortions on home turf. Good luck finding any evidence or protest of the former though