When Bungie first announced that players would no longer be spawning into 3v3 matches with special ammo, I was actually kind of excited about that. I'm a mediocre sniper at best, so I was happy to hear the game might be tilted slightly in my favor.
[b]But after playing Trials for a couple of weeks, I hate it.[/b]
Honestly, it's not so bad in Skirmish or Salvage. People tend to use primary weapons more often in those game modes anyway. But in Trials, your life is so much more valuable, so you will do anything to get an edge to make your opponent die first. There is no respawn to help you regroup and adapt. It's cut throat, and I like that. But you need special weapons (and ammo) to compete.
Right now the problem with Trials is twofold.
(1) Limiting special ammo has turned Trials into a game of momentum. If you get slaughtered on the first round before you can pick up special, there is a good chance you may never have special ammo for the rest of the match. Before you could come back in the second round with a new strategy, now if you're down 0-1, you're worried about how you can possibly challenge their snipers now that they have special ammo and you don't.
(2) There is too much variation in each round now. We have the weird outlier first round with no special, the second round where only one team might have special, with the heavy round soon after. By that point you may STILL not have any special ammo. But the real problem here is that there is too much variation between each round. It makes it very difficult for a losing team to adapt and regroup when each round will be very different from the previous one. If there is no repetition or even playing field with each round, it's simply too chaotic.
Bungie limited special ammo in order to help balance the game. Elimination and Trials are so unbalanced right now it's ridiculous...
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I want to add that this whole problem could probably be avoided if all primaries were significantly buffed relative to special weapons. As it stands, primaries have received a net nerf since day 1, and now they are so weak that special weapons are the only good option for competitive play.
Also, I'm not complaining because I'm getting wrecked in Trials. I AM definitely getting wrecked most of the time, but that's not my issue. I'm complaining because Bungie failed to fix the problem they originally set out to fix: the primacy of special weapons in 3v3 matches.
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1 Antworten.42 and .56 trials KDs...... I think I found the problem
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I laughed when they put this in the weekly update. Then I laughed even harder when people in the forum's though it was a great idea. It blows my mind how the weapons balancers have jobs lol.
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2 AntwortenIt was a horrbile idea from the START. Yes, the first special ammo nerf was neede,d but now trials and elimination is ruined by icebreakers everywhere. Is super annoying, espeically since this map primaries are -blam!-ed
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Bearbeitet von NYDIBS: 2/21/2016 4:27:37 PMpeople that actually play pvp a lot knew this was a bad idea from the start they also knew how to counter this with sidearms, invective and icebreaker
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I feel icebreaker and invective, and to a greater extent sidearm switching, makes it effectively pointless. I don't do either, but I should. It just hasn't stopped me From winning a game once. Still annoying though.
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4 AntwortenWell I use icebreaker, not just for special ammo, but because it still one shot head shots or 2 body shots
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9 AntwortenYou can equip ice breaker, invective or any sidearm. Your point is invalid. You dont need special weapons to go flawless. I have gone 9-0 with melee only. Play smarter.
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2 AntwortenChecks stats. Oh lord. Glances through post. Sees nothing but excuses for sucking. Gives OP gold star for worst trials stats I've ever seen.
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Hahahahahaha
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3 AntwortenNoobs will never learn it not about the ammo. Its all about kill time. Imagine if CSGO,Battlefield and COD kill time was as ridiculous as Destiny. Those games would also be full of campers and people depending solely on special ammo. Shouldn't cry for special this, shotgun that and sniper this. Cry for buffs. Cry for fast kill time. Cry for balance.
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1 AntwortenI went a whole match without special, while double carrying, and still almost won.
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Ice breaker and hide first round. Let them come to you and boom you're set
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Bearbeitet von MerryChristmas: 2/21/2016 5:39:27 PMMy team usually murders the other team too early and none of us can get special ammo :(
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9 AntwortenYou should get 2 mags of special and 1 mag of heavy at beginning of match and remove crates. Then everybodys head would explode for having to use primaries
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3 AntwortenJust rush all rounds so no one ever gets special. If they are using glitches or turning cheap tricks(like their moms do on the corner) then also teabag them after you kill them. I have routinely been making it all the way to at least the heavy round before we ever get stern anmo, it makes it significantly more fun to get into primary battle over stupid snipe battles.
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Bearbeitet von The 7th fall: 2/21/2016 5:22:59 PMSpawning with no special in 3vs3 mode sounds good on paper however when I went back into ToO after 3-4 months of retirement it was sad lol. My buddies and I saw most players play ring around the posey or keep away so they could get their special and try to snipe or blink/shotgun rush. Bungie really needs to consider buffing their way to balance because if it's this bad that people will play keep away for sniper and shotgun ammo then that should be a clear indicator that a lot of primaries need buffing.
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it was a good idea to start off with no special ammo, not so great for one team to keep it. Kind of an unfair advantage. Everyone should start off even at the beginning of every round with no special ammo. You could still turn the tide of a round by picking up the special. The special ammo adjustments still need work.
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This has always been the problem with bungie and forums, people cry about something and bungie ignores them people get angry, but if bungie listens and make the changes then people cry about how they should change it back, and yet people still act surprised on why this game is such a mess
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8 AntwortenIt's the exact same as before. If you are good you are adapting and winning. If you are bad you are losing, getting t bagged, then running to the forums to complain.
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I don't think it has been too bad. I love the fact that I can rush with my primary, especially if my team gets the spec. ammo before the end of the round. No more having to slide through lanes or worrying about res sniping.
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5 AntwortenNow the only people who have special are those who cheat. Ice breaker, sidearm, or just camping by the special till it spawns. Totally need to undo it.
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2 AntwortenTo everyone that replies with ''this community will always find something to whine about"... As much as I agree, this special ammo 'fix' has only created more elitism and segregation. Some people, like myself arent the greatest at PvP, but we still like to play fair matches. There has never been a 'fair' match in this game due to sweaty try hards constantly looking for an advantage. Nothing should spawn with ammo (invective,sidearms).... NOTHING.... and take Icebreaker right out of 3v3 playlists. Bungie usually has great ideas... they're just terrible at executing them.
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I played a bit of trials this weekend and didn't see any ice breakers or side arms
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They shoul unable switching weapobs mid gane. Skirmish is also terrible vs 3 Icebreakers
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4 AntwortenElimination should wipe ammo every round. Push with primary, fight goes long, special gets picked up and the game changes. Next round push with primary crush the team, no heavy needed.
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Scrubs will always cry... skilled players will always take advantage using the actual conditions.