Assuming that Bungie's purpose of this special ammo update is to keep specials reliance in check, I agree with the intent but I think they did not address all the loopholes that pretty much defeats the purpose. I notice the first round has some interesting moments in the beginning, but with the sidearm/ice breaker/invective exploit, the gameplay shortly goes back to business as usual. Hence,[b] it is more a [u]delay[/u] of the status quo gameplay instead of truly changing the way people treat special weapons.[/b] And even if the ammo generating exploit is fixed, the game can become more skewed where the winning team of one round grabs special and begins the next round with a huge advantage. The solution? Some poster's suggest that each player just starts with a set number of special ammo for the entire match. It's not perfect since it negates the viability of side arms/invective/ice breaker in these game modes, but this probably comes closest to the spirit what the special ammo update is trying to achieve. Side note: I am a firm believer that no matter what rule is implemented, a good team will always wreck the opponent. I am speaking from the POV of an average player (below average in ToO). But it's interesting how specials affects the outcome because these past two weeks my team almost always wins the first round.

Well bungie is literally terrible at balancing their game. If I could make the decisions I could provide destiny with very small changes but ultimately balance the competitive scene out so easily. I find it troubling that most of these common sense fixes aren't being thought of. Give me 8 hot fix options and see destiny come to its full glory

I got put in the middle of a skirmish match with no special and the other team just seconds before got both heavy ammos.I could barely move without dying the rest of the match.

If you really want to make snipers less of a factor in trials, Lose the radar.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/182264454/0/0 [quote]For me, I don't see shotguns, snipers, or any special as over powered, I see them as over used. A long while back we faced an issue, people were using their specials far more than their primaries. With a following patch they fixed it to ensure that primaries would be used more... or did they? [spoiler]Bungie Weekly Update - 04/09/2015 https://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---04092015/en/News/News?aid=12753 This update mentioned some things about special ammo and their goals for it. [quote]Kevin: At the highest level, we had a few goals in mind: [b] Make Special ammo a more precious resource in Crucible[/b] Further solidify Heavy ammo's role in the Crucible [b]Further improve the balance of encounters by limiting high-damage weapons[/b][/quote] or [quote]Or, as Mr. Fruit put it earlier this week: [b]Shotgun violence runs rampant in the Crucible.[/b] Can you ease his mind with some details? Kevin: The recent update to sandbox balance was the first step. Creating a new system to manage ammo drops will enable us to adjust the Crucible experience without altering other activities in your Director. [b]We believe that making ammo more scarce and important will provide players with more choices and more memorable encounters in Crucible.[/b][/quote] and then there is: [quote] Kevin: Special Ammo will spawn less frequently, it will take longer to pick up, there will be less crates located on the map, and the bricks you find will provide you with less ammo. I’ll save the stats and gory details for the Patch Notes. [Editor’s Note: Coming very soon to a blog article near you!] [b] We wanted players to really think about how and when they should use their ammo.[/b] The hope is that you’ll ask yourself questions like: [b]"Is this snipe worth it right now?"[/b] [b] "Should I really shotgun rush these players?"[/b] "Should I conserve ammo until the next crate?”[/quote] [/spoiler] Yet with the idea of making special ammo more precious we still see people using only the special weapons still. [quote]"Is this snipe worth it right now?"[/quote] You don't ask yourself this because you're running around with at least 8 shots and the next ammo drop will be in 7 seconds to give you 4-5 more shots. [quote]"Should I really shotgun rush these players?"[/quote] Well, seeing as I can carry at least 16 shots with my shotgun, this is never a question. People can claim that others are just scrubs by shotgun rushing, or pussies by camping with a sniper. But what if that shotgunner had only 2 shot available to him? He would have had to wait for the right time to use it to get 2 kills. Or the sniper had only 1 shot left? He would have needed the right angle and right opportunity to make that shot worth it. Using a special weapon for a special situation. Yet we are given so much special ammo it is not that precious, even skilled people can stack up on ammo to a large capacity of shots. By using a certain weapon so much an impression is made, then claimed to be over powered when it is not, it is over used. This won't stop the shotgun nerf though, that boat has already sailed. But even with them being nerfed they will still be used to large extents because of the availability given to them through special ammo pickups. If a nerf would come to special ammo, I would advise not reducing the amount of ammo special weapons can carry, but how much they can pick up in crucible. Instead of giving 6 shotgun shots, or 5 sniper shots, give 2. It will not effect the performance of the weapon, but it will effect the availability and use of it. PvE players would be happy too with a nerf that doesn't effect them. That is my input, call me what you want, scrub, baby, idiot, I don't care. This has been the one and only main issue [b]I[/b] see in crucible, and you can disagree with me if you want. But if you agree, please [u]bump[/u] and [u]like[/u] so we can focus on the real issue.[/quote]

Players need to learn to avoid sniper lanes. Don't punish people because there good at sniping.

Bungie should remove special ammo crates and let the player spawn into a match with an amount of special ammo. If it's used, it's gone.

Didn't read the while thing but what I did read was pretty true.

All they had to do was make it (sp ammo) spawn less frequently.

I applaud your admittance that you were wrong. That being said, I laugh stupidly at all the stupid assholes that cried for this and [b][u]GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED[/u][/b]. My last word is not dependent on special ammo. #suckit

They shouldn't have implemented it with the invective/icebreaker and side arm loopholes.

Why do so many people want to get rid of radar?

I'm just an average joe. No one special and certainly not someone who can perform well in the crucible, but if there one thing that's keeps me going. Its the power in myself to push me beyond my limits and achieve victory through determination.

it really is, absolutely stupid. during crimson doubles my team would camp on special to get some, and in trials, my team waits 15 seconds then bum rushes the other team with a flash-bang, therefore we get special and they do not. it really just ruins it. now if they gave you 10 shots to start with and you couldn't pick up more, it would be balanced. you have a limited amount, but you never end up at a disadvantage because it is even, if you burn it all in one round well then.... but it would allow for more better play

It was good idea I'll give bungie that but the games I've seen my friend play and the ones I've played on his account are filled with people rushing you not even trying to kill you just move you so they can get the special ammo don't get me wrong that's a good strat to get the upper hand but really though they removed special ammo so we can stop depending on them but each game the other team always stayed by the special or made sure they get it before the round was over.