Looking at the replies, a lot of them dont get it do they? I am an average pvp player, even when i used a thorn prepatch, a better player would still kick the shit out of me, with whatever, he is using. He is just better then me thats all there is to it. It is all about extending playing time , nothing more nothing less. OP weapon nerfing, what bs, i want op weapons , i want to kick the shit out of Vex,Fallen,Hive,Cabal and Taken, thats fun , but we all know what Bungie thinks on that do we. Who cares if i could BlackHammer an Ogre, you felt like, -blam!- you Ogre, and thats gone now, you dont feel that anymore. At least i dont. The game lost the most importent feeling , you feeling powerfull, and on top of that ,it lost the fun part with it. What a shame, shame on you Bungie. Cheers