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12/31/2015 5:01:01 PM
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An issue I have with the Second Amendment
The Second Amendment is an important part of the rights of the American people. Most notably, it gives us the right to fight against a tyrannical government.
Well, if the government is fighting us, we're up against tanks, attack helicopters, and drones equipped with hellfire missiles. Our shotguns and rifles won't do much against that.
Another point people keep raising is that the US Military *is* the American people, and would not go into battle against its own people. If that's the case, why do we need weapons to ensure we can fight against the government?
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3 AntwortenThe German Nationalist Party (Not-Zees) were Germans before WW2 as were the Jews that they rounded up and slaughtered by the millions. All it takes is a charismatic leader to change how people feel. Look at Trump and his supporters. Just willing to willy nilly flout the Constitution and everything it stands for just so they can feel a little more secure.
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3 AntwortenThe military is also ordered to not follow any orders that are considered wrong. This includes orders from the POTUS. Also, the military would not fight the people. They are there to protect us. I would know. I was military, and most of us would protect the people. Plus, most military doesn't like Obama, and would love to see him overthrown. The military has rules, and regulations.
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Just because they have tanks and aircraft doesn't mean guns aren't preventative in terms of protecting us from tyranny.
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19 AntwortenBearbeitet von Onion Beetle Fan: 12/31/2015 8:17:10 PM[spoiler]:([/spoiler]
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23 AntwortenBearbeitet von Princess Anomaly: 12/31/2015 5:56:50 PMNot to mention the Second Amendment only grants the right for the people to assemble armed [i]militias[/i] if the situation arose where the people needed to defend themselves and/or rebel against their government. Nowhere does it say [i]individual people[/i] have the right to own guns. That's gun nuts misinterpreting it for their own gain. inb4 pissed off gun nuts
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IN MY OPINION It should be a privilege, not a right.
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Honestly the 2nd amendment needs to be revised for modern times. It says the right "shall not be infringed" but if we were to follow it exactly we'd have to allow [b]anyone[/b] to bear arms, including violent criminals.
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Another thing, if the US government turned on its people, and fighting broke out on a large enough scale, another country would step in and pave all of us to the ground. It would essentially be an open invitation for America to be destroyed by someone else.
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6 AntwortenI would argue that a good example of the Second Amendment at work would be the Minutemen, private colonists who took up arms at a minute's notice, to confront an opposing force. A militia comprised of gun owning citizens.
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2 AntwortenYa know Max you seem to have SO MANY problems with the US it would obviously be better for you and for us if you just moved to a different country
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Do you really think the Army will fight their families?
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8 AntwortenObama has Isis, we won't be fighting our military
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7 AntwortenMy issue is the right to "bear" arms clearly implies military service. All the amendment saying is you have the right to serve in the National Guard, if you want to.
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I actually disagree. They do have superior technology sure, but when has the government [b]ever[/b] ran efficiently under [i]normal[/i] conditions? Let alone that of a civilian uprising. I kid of course, but I highly doubt the US government could sustain itself well enough in a tyrannical form. You'd need a fair amount of the population in support of such a reform and oppressing the rest of the civilian base, as well of some way to keep many of our own soldiers in line. It would likely collapse on itself and fall into another civil war of a sorts, or some kind of pseudo-Russian worker revolt.
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2 Antworten[quote]Well, if the government is fighting us, we're up against tanks, attack helicopters, and drones equipped with hellfire missiles. Our shotguns and rifles won't do much against that.[/quote]Good point, that's an excellent argument for citizens being allowed more weaponry than just shotguns and rifles. [quote]Another point people keep raising is that the US Military *is* the American people, and would not go into battle against its own people.[/quote]This is what everyone has said within every dictatorial regime in history. The Chinese military IS the Chinese people, they wouldn't follow Chairman Mao if he ordered them to hurt the citizens!
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2 AntwortenThe soldier's creed... I am an American Soldier. I am a warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values. I will always place the mission first. I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat. I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life. I am an American Soldier. Read the 4th line... I SERVE the people of the United States
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28 AntwortenNowhere in the Constitution is the right to use any sort of violence against the government. Anyone who says that the Second Amendment is there to protect us from our own government has no idea what they're talking about. The Second Amendment was written at a time when armed militias were something that mattered in American warfare and when the threat of a foreign government was rampant. Today, it means the right to own guns for home defense against criminals and intruders. Again, no one has the right to commit violence against the government. If you disagree, let me ask you this: When you saw the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore this year, did you think "these are people defending their rights?"
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Bearbeitet von Dolphinizer: 12/31/2015 7:46:22 PM[i]SO WE SHOULD HAVE TANKS, DRONES AND HELLFIRE MISSILES AVAILABLE TO US.[/i] You idiot libtards don't get it do you? This is why I'm voting for Trump
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What is op high or something here
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5 AntwortenHow come you say the stupidest things in all your posts?
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Op isn't very intelligent
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von The Space Nib: 1/1/2016 10:34:54 PMOP please go study the second amendment and military history before making statements that make you look dumb. Sincerely -Everyone
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[quote]The Second Amendment is an important part of the rights of the American people. Most notably, it gives us the right to fight against a tyrannical government. Well, if the government is fighting us, we're up against tanks, attack helicopters, and drones equipped with hellfire missiles. Our shotguns and rifles won't do much against that. Another point people keep raising is that the US Military *is* the American people, and would not go into battle against its own people. If that's the case, why do we need weapons to ensure we can fight against the government?[/quote] People don't just buy guns to fight the government. People buy guns for whatever they want. The government is not a big brother-esque system* And they are normal living people too.Also the military is American people. They think and feel like the rest of us. they don't go around getting POWs and recruiting them to the military. Also,fighting would be the least of our problems if America ever went into a state like that. Conclusion:OP is fgt [spoiler]*yet[/spoiler]
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England never had the 2nd Amendment, yet successfully defeated the tyranny of King Charles I.
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1 AntwortenHey mad max ur cool but I have a question for the ppl of off topic so here it is can anyone help me do raids and trials of orisis cuz their really hard and I tried to do them many times but they are to hard to do solo but I am really god at destiny but I still can't do them but I tried really hard and it took like 2 hours and i can't do the raid but I can't even try trials of osirs cuz it says that I need more ppl but I don't have more ppl to do studf with and you probably don't think I'm good but I'm really good at PvP I have had people tell me how god I am and how I should be MLG but there is not MLG for destiny and so yeah if anyone wants to help me and are nice it would be nice and it's not like I'll be bad to have on ur team I'm really nice and funny and cool and I'll do well on ur team so you don't have to worry about that or anything I'm very mature for my age so it will be good and so if you want to do stuff with me jjust comment here lol and it's not like I won't accept anyone I will cuz i want to be a higher light level so it's not like I won't accept you so you can just comment lol and A lot of people have told me that I'm good to have on a team so it's really a good thing of you join so yeah I'd you wanna just comment lol s so yeah peace
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3 AntwortenGo back to Australia
