Coming from a guy thats been using high impact snipers since the LDR 5001.
The main argument for "what takes more skill: snipers vs shotguns" is that snipers are harder to use because you have to land headshots. I just don't see it like that though.
The truth is that snipers are so much safer to use. You can distance yourself where you cant be killed fast by the majority of meta weapons, you can pop in and out of cover and still get kills. Even if you miss, youre safe, the same cant be said about shotguns though.
With shotguns, you have to put yourself at risk, either by pushing past the half way mark on the map, going into the other teams spawn, etc. You need to be agile and use your character's mobility. Its not easy to do. Sure, you can get one easy kill. But most of the time you end up trading, either with the guy you kill or you die by his teammate because you put yourself at risk. And in trials, trades are bad for the shotgun user, because they have to advance to get their close range shotgun kill, so the shotguns dead orb will usually be un-revivable whereas the orb that was killed by the shotgun will usually be on his teams own side, so it is usually revivable.
With snipers, you can get one kill and safely walk away. And the fact that shotguns and fusion rifles aren't as good as they used to be, everyone is now sniping, and playing almost risk free. Pvp has mostly come down to a game of pop-in pop-out where whoever gets the first snipe has the advantage. The only risk you put yourself in is getting sniped by someone else. Playing that safe should not be so rewarding.
This has nothing to do with high aim assist. As a sniper main I know nothing has changed about snipers since vanilla when it comes to aim assist. Im not "one of those guys." I genuinely believe the reason people have gotten so good at sniping recently is that [i]everyone[/i] uses them now and we've gotten so much practice with them. Nothing to do with aim assist.
All Im saying is shotguns and fusion rifles, and even sidearms need to be buffed so they get more usage. I actually liked the HoW meta better because shotguns were extremely good but still had that risk factor to them. They could still be stopped dead in their tracks or could be traded with. Nowadays its almost unsafe to walk around any corner because there is already a sniper aimed down it at head level. I find myself hitting down on the dpad to see around the corner in third person every time I get to a corner. Its not a good meta at all. Bring back shotguns and fusion rifles!
Again, this is coming from a sniper main.
Tl;dr
Shotguns take a ton of awareness and use of your character's mobility and you have to put yourself at risk for every kill, but snipers are almost risk free to use. Shotguns didnt deserve to be nerfed and should be buffed along with fusions and sidearms to give them more usage.
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Agreed I only do mayhem unless I'm doing the daily or weekly bounties (which is a chore).
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7 AntwortenI'm too lazy to read it all but I agree with the title. I've been using a sniper since year 1 and seeing everyone snipe is getting annoying. Just take the aim assist down a little so that it isn't easy to use.[spoiler]yes, I know what aim assist does[/spoiler]
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1 AntwortenSo, how would you fix it? Reducing Aim Assist would just make 1% of snipers swap to a side arm, so what other than that would you do?
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Not even close
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[spoiler]its your opinion[/spoiler]
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Snipers and shotguns are fine. The issue with crucible is the amount of special ammo. Why use a primary when you have constant special ammo to use? Why use a primary with a long ttk when I can use a sniper or shotgun that kills instantly? Shotguns are in a really good place right now. I would have kept the old range but implemented the movement nerfs. Fusions should've been left alone as they were perfect prior to 2.1. Now they feel way too inconsistent when you factor in their charge time and stability.
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The best argument against snipers I've heard in a long time. And I agree that all other specials need a buff. But, although I believe that shotguns during HoW required more skill to get a good k/d, I believe that snipers take more skill to land one kill. And for that reason I prefer this meta.
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Bearbeitet von RS SAVAGE TIGER: 12/27/2015 7:18:25 PMRisk level [b]doesn't =[/b] Skill level But yeah, I preferred when only a select few used snipers
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I don't always do this but B U M P U M M U P M U B
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Agreed tired of nerfs, i want the other specials buffed.
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Bunige's biggest problems in PvP were the long range shotguns and special ammo availability. Both are still major problems...
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You smell of a salty substance.
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I use whatever I have to in order to balance out what's happening to me and I have more snipers kills than shotgun kills on all 3 of my characters. I've played crucible since day one, when you could use heavy ammo synthesis in crucible, and I used predathys revenge and final boss snipers. The AA is much greater regardless of what anyone thinks or says. People aren't that good with snipes, that's coming from someone who has used them since the first day. You can check the stats of everyone and most of the people sniping now we're the ones running felwinters and matadors. So how did they work on sniping and get good with them when they never used them until now? We are playing cod snipers atm with this meta. You can pull up and quick snipe so easily bcuz the headshots are literally automatic with snipers. You play any crucible game and there is always 8-10 people standing around on both teams ads'ing every corner on the map. I also constantly wave or dance in crucible to gears of war the corner bcuz I know there is 3 dudes red doting at head level, at the door. I went flawless 3x a week every week year 1 trails and hardly ever did we have a round that lasted over a min. Now in trials you have dudes using 3 or 4 supers a game bcuz the rounds go the distance every round. Bcuz everyone is hiding in their spawn ads'ing the -blam!- out of every corner and doorway, scared to death to move. The game has become so pussified and camped out that it's really not even fun. I use to enjoy playing trials and crucible but now I get so bored playing every game type, regardless if it's control or rift or trials to the time limit bcuz everyone is camping and hiding with snipers. Primary guns are an endangered species and of bungie doesn't do something quit to change it, they will become extinct. Lol again check all the people that has 4x as many shotgun kills as primary and tell me when they have had time to get good with a sniper? People are so -blam!-ing retarded if you think you just became headshot champs with a sniper over night, that you never used bcuz you sucked at it year one. Lol hahahahaha
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Hey man I understand what your trying to say but in my honest opinion snipers are fine shotguns are OK and fusion rifles are under powered as well as auto rifles and hand cannon.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von RadioYouth: 12/26/2015 8:25:00 PMThe problems with shotguns was the range that you could killpeople with them being absolutely ridiculous, I'm a shotgun lover so I understand the whole "you need awareness!" argument, but a shotgun didn't fulfill its purpose. In fact using a shotgun requires skill and careful planning now more than ever. Something shotgun users have been wanting for a while.
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2 AntwortenI absolutely agree shotguns take skill But that doesn't mean snipers don't Both are great options and both require a different skillset to use Snipers require just as much awareness and map knowledge but shotgunners are excellent at moving around and avoiding death in CQB and snipers aim better generally (chaperone aside perhaps?) No need for it to be either one or the other, both have a learning curve
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I still get baffled at how every weapon i use feels like a marshmellow gun and the same guns in some else's hands is like a nuclear bomb. Shotguns: i blast someone in the face and it leaves them with a sliver left or shotgun/melee does no damage at all and they do the same thing from outside the range of the shotguns and blast the shit out of me. Scouts: mida scout right? Usually what, three to four headshots and they die right? First shot hits, doesnt register no damage. Two shots later im dead. Snipers: head shot, only registers half of the damage and half health for the guy and im dead. The point im making is the hit markers are broken as shit or the lag is that bad to where they cant register. Idk crucible is broken and worse than ever before. I wonder what the next meta is gonna be...... What will bungie -blam!- up next?
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So you want shotguns and fusion rifles to be buffed? What would that do to snipers though? I'm still going to win at a distance because unless they give shotguns and fusion rifles a godly buff you can't out range a sniper rifle. And if you get close enough I'll snipe body shot switch to my primary and finish you. I really don't understand the argument here. Even if they buff shotguns and fusions you still have to play smart and avoid sniper lanes (which you can do now pretty effectively.) If you're getting out sniped by someone, they're probably more skilled than you.
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This is so true!
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I hate you for this
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2 AntwortenI honestly don't care this bitching has gone on long enough please stop
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1 AntwortenReading the comments section, several people have suggested taking away close range scopes. That would make sniper much more skill based, because I know that personally I would suck trying to use a midrange scope in pvp.
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