Coming from a guy thats been using high impact snipers since the LDR 5001.
The main argument for "what takes more skill: snipers vs shotguns" is that snipers are harder to use because you have to land headshots. I just don't see it like that though.
The truth is that snipers are so much safer to use. You can distance yourself where you cant be killed fast by the majority of meta weapons, you can pop in and out of cover and still get kills. Even if you miss, youre safe, the same cant be said about shotguns though.
With shotguns, you have to put yourself at risk, either by pushing past the half way mark on the map, going into the other teams spawn, etc. You need to be agile and use your character's mobility. Its not easy to do. Sure, you can get one easy kill. But most of the time you end up trading, either with the guy you kill or you die by his teammate because you put yourself at risk. And in trials, trades are bad for the shotgun user, because they have to advance to get their close range shotgun kill, so the shotguns dead orb will usually be un-revivable whereas the orb that was killed by the shotgun will usually be on his teams own side, so it is usually revivable.
With snipers, you can get one kill and safely walk away. And the fact that shotguns and fusion rifles aren't as good as they used to be, everyone is now sniping, and playing almost risk free. Pvp has mostly come down to a game of pop-in pop-out where whoever gets the first snipe has the advantage. The only risk you put yourself in is getting sniped by someone else. Playing that safe should not be so rewarding.
This has nothing to do with high aim assist. As a sniper main I know nothing has changed about snipers since vanilla when it comes to aim assist. Im not "one of those guys." I genuinely believe the reason people have gotten so good at sniping recently is that [i]everyone[/i] uses them now and we've gotten so much practice with them. Nothing to do with aim assist.
All Im saying is shotguns and fusion rifles, and even sidearms need to be buffed so they get more usage. I actually liked the HoW meta better because shotguns were extremely good but still had that risk factor to them. They could still be stopped dead in their tracks or could be traded with. Nowadays its almost unsafe to walk around any corner because there is already a sniper aimed down it at head level. I find myself hitting down on the dpad to see around the corner in third person every time I get to a corner. Its not a good meta at all. Bring back shotguns and fusion rifles!
Again, this is coming from a sniper main.
Tl;dr
Shotguns take a ton of awareness and use of your character's mobility and you have to put yourself at risk for every kill, but snipers are almost risk free to use. Shotguns didnt deserve to be nerfed and should be buffed along with fusions and sidearms to give them more usage.
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3 AntwortenShotguns are snipers so...
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Stop asking for nerfs
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Snipers everywhere! Whole teams sitting in the back of the map doming people out of nowhere. A little tired of it actually. Not really looking forward to ib. And yes, I suck at sniping.
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2 AntwortenI'm sorry to say this but, it's not even a sniper meta, it's just 90% of the population just suck at shotgunning
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All the special ammo has been limited, significantly since year one. The time for spawn was increased quite a bit too. Pribably more likely the reason you dont see people rushing as much as before, unless they are using Incective or somethibg that generates rounds. Same goes for ice breaker when it started to show up in crucible and trials more. Each round took an additional 2 or 3 seconds or something to regen.
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2 AntwortenWhy are people so good at sniping now? Because it isn't that hard to do...seriously most people just hard scope lanes at head level. Hard scoping doesn't take skill. Quick scoping is a bit harder to do but still luck is involved. Then drag scoping. Aim assist is what makes drag scoping easy. You still have to aim at their head but that slow down makes all the difference between hitting them and over aiming. Bring back shot package, and get rid of special crates in cruicble. You spawn with 12,16,or 20 ammo and that is all you get for a match.
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Imo they just need to limit special ammo. Make the special weapons feel more like power weapons. I mean you shouldn't be able to main a sniper or a shotgun.
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6 AntwortenThe only thing wrong with this meta is the 1k crutch... you know a gun is broken when it is being used as much as it is. The fire rate is way too high for how much impact it has and the AA on all snipers need to be taken down a notch
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Sniping meta 2015 Brought you by every whiney entitled little bitch that complained about op weapons
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1 Antworten[i]*Bear Grylls Voice* Here we have a shotgunner in the wild. He does not know how to survive against a sniper, but he knows what to do in this situation. He whines on the forums, waiting for a sniper rifle nerf. After this commercial break, we will see him drink his own piss.[/i]
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1k stare is one sniper, i can't use, it's garbage
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4 AntwortenFusion rifles probably needs a buff. Shotguns are okay now (not too much range) and snipers are supposed to be long ranged. The only one other change that Bungie can implement that I feel will bring balance to the Force is decreasing the amount of special ammo per crate.
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Your main problem with addressing the differences between the two is that the shotgun meta you are describing describes how shotguns act now, and not bringing about the true era of shotguns
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There was a shotgun meta? That's news to me. I recall a brief auto rifle/mythoclast/fusion rifle meta, a hand cannon meta (primarily thorn and the last word with some hawk moon usage), and a pulse rifle meta (with shotguns getting a nerf in nearly every single changing of the meta hat).
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I love the lack of shotguns means I get to tryout my striker melee more
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4 AntwortenThey need to considerable slow down handling of sniper rifles and considerably slow down movement speed while ads with snipers. Lower aim assist also. This would nerf drag scoping pretty hard. That all that needs to be done.
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I think they just need to add a little more kick when being shot. It's a tad frustrating when I'm full health, I'll land 3 hits in the head with a scout, and right before the forth I'll get my head blown off. Kudos to the players who've developed these fast reaction skills, but I feel these situations happen too often. I don't believe aim assist is the issue here. I'm sure it may "assist" players in getting headshots, but the main issue with snipers is that guardians have just gotten too good with them, and they are being used as reaction weapons. This prevents players from playing the way they want to.
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I love murdering groups of Adsers with the shotty
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"Since LDR"
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2 AntwortenBro most people in destiny can't snipe. They just hardscope at head lvl. Just Jump around corners and I think you'll be fine :)
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Thorn meta was the best!!
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I just came back after 4 weeks off and man, I'm so happy TLW + Sniper is top tier again. This is the most fun load out for me. Used it non stop in year 1. Nothing else could compare
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21 AntwortenFighting against snipers just isn't fun. Your only option against a sniper is to just ignore them for a while. At least shotguns have counters. (Sidearms, fusions, ect)
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1 AntwortenYesterday i went to rumble, every single game everybody was running like crazy around the map with shotguns. By my third game i knew my " no time to xplain" was not enough to counter them. Swith to last word and finish second. The first place got 25 kills and die only 8 times. Shotguns are still op and most people go with the last word bcs is the only way to counter the blink+ shotgun combo or go shotgun which i dont do( not even in the shotgun meta). The new " sniper meta", " sniper are op" is what you get after the shotgun meta, by now 90% of the pvp players are running around with shotguns. The last word is op?, no but is the only primary thats going to save your ass if a hunta or warlock are blinking and shotgunning and thats not cheating thats playing smart.
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HoW meta on special weapons was definitely better.
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1 AntwortenYesterday i went to rumble, every single game everybody was running like crazy around the map with shotguns. By my third game i knew my " no time to xplain" was not enough to counter them. Swith to last word and finish second. The first place got 25 kills and die only 8 times. Shotguns are still op and most people go with the last word bcs is the only way to counter the blink+ shotgun combo or go shotgun which i dont do( not even in the shotgun meta). The new " sniper meta", " sniper are op" is what you get after the shotgun meta, by now 90% of the pvp players are running around with shotguns. The last word is op?, no but is the only primary thats going to save your ass if a hunta or warlock are blinking and shotgunning and thats not cheating thats playing smart.