Here's the thing... Most truly PvP only guys don't call for nerfs. Next time you see someone calling for a nerf, check their medal score, and it will most certainly be less than 150k. PvE guys try to come to crucible, and don't know maps, don't know spawns, and don't know how gear and weapons behave in PvP.... And then cry nerf after getting wrecked. But that's not even the real issue. [b]Bungie is [i][u]intentionally[/u][/i] making blanket changes that affect pve and PvP. Bungie has showed us that they have the ability to tweak shotguns exclusively in PvE, but that is just an outlier, and not the standard[/b] Bungie needs to continue tweaking things in their respective realms, pve and PvP. It is the only way to stop the community from dividing over a non issue.

Btw the fact that your Titan has the highest by double to 6x your other 2 characters kd in crucible speaks mountains. Nerf sunbreakers!

Anyone with half a brain could see sunbreakers were too good in pvp.

Misleading title... Said it was death to PvP, but it's just another Titan that's complaining about its supercharge that is blatantly overpowered... I could go into detail for the 20th time on this forum about why it is OP compared to other supers but it's hopeless it seems... Every guardian class has a support: Defender, Sunsinger, Nightstalker. And an offense physical (close range): Striker, Stormcaller, Bladedancer. And then an offensive ranged: Sunbreaker, Voidwalker, Gunslinger. Your complaints are irrelevant really, because you're delusional if you think that the Titan Sunbreakers are wrongful victims here... Because there are good reasons behind the nerfs to the super. You're a hypocrite for complaining and calling others complainers... Wise up.

Ok let's start with your argument, "I main Titan so sunbreaker isn't over powered"... Wait what how does that make sense, your argument is uneducated and laughable of how inconsiderate it is... First off comparing sunbreaker to bladedancer is Ludacris when it comes to healing... Titan ALL ABILITIES HEAL INCLUDING THROWING YES A RANGED ATTACK and grenades ANOTHER RANGES ATTACK... Now how do bladedancers heal... Let's see MELEE, MELEE, MELEE, MELEE.... OH WAIT I SEE. Now let's goto the damage reduction on both... With bd (bladedancer) i can get killed by,... 1000 years stare archetype snipers to the dome, or 2 body shots... Black spindle archetype same, shotgun melee (sometimes just the shotgun), fusion rifle melee. So notice the melee, yes you may trade but remember that. NOW sb (sunbreaker) you can get killed by black spindle archetype TO THE DOME, or LITC EIRENE THAT'S IT GOOD LUCK WITH GETTING MORE THAN ONE SHOT (not saying it can't happen bc it can (btw i just killed 1 or if 2 sb in trials with a weapons of light combo with the 1000 yard) I've also killed many with 2 dome shots and what not) WHAT 2 DONE SHOTS WTF, THEY CAN THROW HAMMERS, THEY HAVE RANGED ATTACKS, RANGED ATTACKS, RANGED. Don't get me started on them with overshield. Fun fact yes they don't have Blink... Should they no, they have the only guaranteed 1 shot melee from any direction (shoulder charge) they have a super version 2 caked sun charge FUN. So now bd has a1 shot melee...Oh wait that's not infinite not guaranteed, sunsinger no, nope no other classes. Now speed wise hunter is known for agility SO TELL ME WHY IT IS THE LAST AGILE CLASS, with the Titan skate they are the fastest class in the game... Tank, armor, recovery, and agility real balanced. Btw if you don't think the defender perks are offensive you use it all wrong, run blessings or weapons and use it as a per say tether, the longest super in the game assuming someone doesn't waist their super on the bubble lol, oh wait sorry technically if you sit in a sun spot as the sb you have the longest super WTF. And just for fun sunsinger? Grenades and melee lol what is ok i guess but I'd rather have an amazing overshield, and give my entire team supers than have a few extra grenades (although they are pretty strong grenades) There are more issues here and I'm pretty sure bungie specifically said they will only bring up the Titan for the preview update, so buffs /nerfs to other classes are EXPECTED. Sb is the only class that actually raises your kd without skill (kinda like shotgun but that's off subject) please make sure when you post it is well educated and pve is easy... Everything seems op in pve. Btw my pve record is probably better than yours so don't be stupid. EDUCATED, THANK YOU Tl;dr Sunbreakers artificially raise your kd bc they are overpowered bearing multiple characters supers in 1 us ONE super. The Titan is not very balanced as a class (i have all 3) so please be educated before making idiotic posts. EDUCATED

I love how it says death pvp but then it just turns into another Titan bitching about how their op class got brought back down into line with the others

https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/177821382/0/0 I encourage you to read this. PvP players are [i]not[/i] to blame.

I agree with all of your points, and I apologize in advance, but I cannot stop playing crucible in order to effectively kill pvp in an attempt to force a change. I do not believe this will actually change Bungie's philosophy (when has anything actually forced them to change? They still don't have matchmaking, although the nerfing of power weapons, essentially because they were ruining LFG is a tacit admission that they were wrong about not having optional matchmaking for all phases of the game. Secondly, PVP is my stress-reliever after I get frustrated with PVE. It is fun to pull out the old year 1 guns and destroy people in crucible. I don't care if my light level is only 220, my NITC/Patience and Time combo is still as potent as ever in crucibabies. Finally, always go in daily for one match, if only to collect the daily crucible marks. Even though I'm running out of things to pick up, I can still use the marks to reduce my need to farm materials, and the daily marks are so easy, I don't even bother to grab my hunter and equip him before I jump in a match. I really dc if i go 5-20 with my warlock or titan. I'm just there for the marks.

Death to softies who refuse to play pvp

"The crucible is no place for mercy" -Lord Shaxx

Dude u suck if these adjustments make pve hard for u

I agree that bungie should look at it from both point of views. And they shouldn't nerf titans (I m a warlock and I say this). But don't blame it all on PvP. Blame it on the players.

Personally I ignore Destiny for PvP and play halo instead Destiny is an absolute mess in PvP terms.

I agree. Pvp kids whining has ruined everything THAT HAS BEEN RUINED in pve. I am -blam!-ing sick of the pvp children begging over and over for nerfs. All the -blam!-ing time. Then when something is nerfed they beg for something ELSE to be nerfed. Then when they get their nerfs they rub it in the faces of those who're "butt hurt" it's pathetic. But bungie keeps making the changes when requested. Chasing after the kids. It's driving me and everyone I know away.

Give PvP'ers all the same color vaginas to hit each other with! The more kills the wetter it gets until it unleashes a giant squirt fest for a super.

Its true they do overhaul everything based on pvp.