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Bearbeitet von Dingus Khan:
10/23/2015 10:47:15 PM
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Red Death = Still a noobs best friend (and pulse rifles need to be taken down a notch.)
Made a post before where I called for a pvp red death nerf and said how prevalent it would be in Iron Banner and ToO. Got a lot of hate for it but oh well, I don't really give a shit. Lots of people got hate for calling for a Thorn nerf, Final Round, Sunbreaker, etc..... I should have originally made a post about pulse rifles in general instead of singling out Red Death but oh well.
Let's play a game... Go into an Iron Banner match. Then inspect each player. Count the number of Red Deaths. Then count the number of pulse rifles. Then count the number of ALL OTHER PRIMARY TYPES COMBINED. AFTER YOU DO THIS then come here and try to tell me that pulse rifles are not OP at all.
This shit is just as obnoxious as Thorn, take it down a notch please.
The issue is that it (and pulse rifles) outclasses all other primary classes. You can outsnipe snipers and scouts with red death. In ToO it gives you guaranteed instant health regen which allows you to fairly easily solo elimination teams if you know what you're doing. It -blam!-s with the dynamic of every firefight just as much as Thorn forcing you to take cover does, it's just that because it benefits the user nobody complains about it. My solution would be to make health regen not proc 100% of time on guardians (or require headshots to reward skilled usaged) and to bring the pulse rifle archetype [i]ever so slightly down[/i].
It isn't just Red Death however, pulse rifles are really too powerful now in general (Bungie you guys seem to be a little heavy handed with your nerfs and buffs. Make hand cannons not be total shit across the board please? Leave Thorn and TLW shitty, thats fine.)
Bungie please at least post some weapon stats for Iron Banner and ToO next week so I have some data to prove my point.
Oh also, I'll save you guys the time: "DrFaye you are trash lololol git gud!!!1111 I have 12.374 kd I am the best and I have no -blam!-ing life. How dare you ask for some balance in Destiny I will whine and cry and throw a lil tantrum because you attacked my crutch gun"
Please at least form a cohesive counter-argument as to why Red Death and pulse rifles are is fine the way it is instead of sounding like a 7 year old squeeker troll. Or stfu and gtfo.
I hope I will be dancing on Red Death's grave just as I danced on Final round, shot package, thorn, etc. Shits just as annoying at the moment. I'm sure it's inevitable at this point, I have been counting some Iron Banner matches where Red Death accounts for [i]half[/i] of the equipped primaries.
EDIT: I know mommy and daddy didn't give some of you enough attention but don't look for it here. I'm not going to waste my time responding to trolls who can't even use logic to form a counter-argument. Don't waste your breath (or your keystrokes I guess....)
EDIT 2: Maybe I should spin it this way as people seem to hate hearing the dirty word "nerf": [u]Let's [i]BUFF[/i] all the other weapons besides pulse rifles[/u]. Does that hurt you a little less to hear it said that way? Same goal just different method and a shorter average time to kill. And please stop acting like balance is a dirty thing. In a game like Destiny with hundreds of unique weapons and more on the way it's inevitable.
EDIT 3: Thanks for the laughs trolls. You guys need to try harder though. Hard to take any of you seriously about anything when you don't have enough brain cells to debate me and resort to name calling and crying like a little girl lolololol
EDIT 4: For all you clever little boys... NO SHIT I AM USING RED DEATH! Why wouldn't I? I mean it's pretty much one of the most OP guns in the game and I would be at a disadvantage if I didn't when entire fireteams of 6 are using them. Also, would you prefer I never had any experience using a Red Death before I passed judgement on it? I wreck with this shit. Too much.
EDIT 5: lol still scrubs coming here to tell me to "git gud" even when they have 0.8kd and shit, too funny.
TL;DR [i]Slight[/i] nerf to pulse rifles, buff autos and hand cannons back out of the gutter and leave scout rifles alone. Fixed your game for you Bungie. Balance is not "chasing the dragon" despite what your overly-emotional asses think, and don't blame me for the fact that Bungie doesn't know how to balance their game. Not all of us are cool with there being 1 primary choice.
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4 AntwortenRed death is what true balance feels like its a gun that once you get dialed into becomes very easy to use. Saying that it stands to run the whole new pvp meta is going far especially with so many new guns some of which we have yet to discover.
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4 AntwortenIf you want the Red Death [quote]nerfed into the ground[/quote], it isn't going to happen. Exotics are designed to give an edge in combat in a unique way, and an exotic were to be useless... Well, Bungie would have failed us even more. You destroy it or fix it. Only ways.
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Red Death has always been a two shot kill in crucible, I use to play with it while Thorn was rampant and still play with it and it is a bit weaker than it used to be. The impact was reduced to the point where every bullet has to be a precision shot on a low armor target to be a two shot kill. Math: usual value I get is 33 precision, that means 99 per burst and 198 on 2 bursts. This leaves target with two health, lower armor bumps the damage up to 34 I think but not sure about this. Now the health regen perk is the best pvp perk in my opinion at the moment but it is an exotic and it has to have something that sets it apart from legendary pulse rifles to earn that exotic slot. There are other legendary pulse rifles that have better base stats, Iron banner pulse rifle is one of them. Now to compare it to other weapons I would say it is pretty even. Autos probably have a longer time to kill than most but the full auto nature is more forgiving for missing shots than other weapons. Scouts: I personally think amid a has round about the same if not a faster kill time than Red Death if precision shots are my by both. The high rate of fire hand cannons like thorn are still competitive but it is a 3 shot kill, even hawkmoon is 3 shot if Luck in the chamber doesn't proc so Thorn type hand cannons have reliably more dps than Hawkmoon types. Still have to test the First Curse but that will only be happening next week but I believe it will be a 2 headshot kill weapon.
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12 AntwortenRed death just needs a slight nerf. And then hand cannons need buffed
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-incoming spam about things that don't matter-
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PvP has a mode where you start a match and all have the same guns......oh wait....people will still complain. I am not MLG by any means but enjoy PvP now and then. There are guns that make PvP less enjoyable but that is also the challenge that makes it enjoyable. In the hundreds of matches I have played the plague to me was only the shotguns. Even shotguns can be countered....uh...slow down and keep people at range!?!? First round thorn sucked....sucked as much as final round snipers. It's a game....there is no real tangible experience to validate any of it in life. In a fictitious reality of games today somehow matters in the infinite pissing contest know as an Internet forum than that is just sad. In skilled hands a Perceived OP weapon is brutal....in the wrong hands not so much unless it's say a rocket launcher. Buying a fast car does not instantly make you a race car driver any more than a supposed OP PVP weapon instantly make you MLG pro. True skill and practice trumps less skilled any day of the week so who cares what guns people use.....there is always someone else out there better than you so get use to it people....that's life.
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10 AntwortenThey nerf Red Death/Pulse Rifles, and you'll be back asking for the next nerf. Frankly, I'm calling scout rifles because a pulse rifle nerf will leave them uncontested at range. You've asked for or supported all those nerfs you've mentioned, yet you're still asking for nerfs. Because as long as you keep getting killed by it, no matter what "it" happens to be, you'll blame it on everything but yourself. Sure, you get killed frequently by Red Death. It's a good rifle, so of course people are going to use it. It's going to be prevalent. Doesn't mean it's over-powered, just means that you need to either counter it, or swallow your pride dude. And no, I haven't been using Red Death this Iron Banner. I haven't even bothered to get my Y2 from the blueprints kiosk. I'm not the best Crucible competitor, by a long shot, but I also don't stamp my feet and scream through my tears and snot that it's "just not fair, Bungie! They're mean to me!" Look, I know you won't likely change your position, but please consider all the nerfs that you've supported and look at where we are now: it's not Thorn and Hand Cannons anymore, it's now Pulse Rifles. You're chasing a dragon that can't be caught, friend, and the chase will lead to even more ruin.
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If you learn to win the gunfight, health regen of your opponent shouldn't be a problem.
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2 AntwortenJust a heads up. all the people that will hate on this are the scrubs that run around with a red death. I'm on your side with this.
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8 AntwortenWahh! Bungie I get killed by a gun to much. Wahh! Nerf it plz I don't want to actually get skills. Every gun has a counter get good and quit complaining.
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2 AntwortenHawksaw kills me the most
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Just got through playing iron banner and hardly saw anyone with it. When I did it wasn't all that hard to deal with. They're to far away? Stillpiercer, close to mid range? Bad juju or my suros pulse rifles. It's not that bad at all imo. It's an exotic and it functions how it should. They've already nerfed impact on it as well.
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i called for a nerf on thorn as every game was thorn thorn killlied again oh look its a thorn and yes it was op aaaaaaand now its been nerfed to shit , guns like red death and bad juju were under powerd and i think nerfed early on but as bungle goes they nerf stuff and go over the top it seems like arse with a map and unable to find ie they are clueless they nerf stuff and then a new weapon comes to the front that gets a nerf then a new one ..................rinse and repeat and failed experiments like full auto scouts again this tells me that bungle are clueless but its whining kids like you that spoil the game ooooooohhhh i got killed by "imsert gun here" over and over where maybe just maybe you were in a cr@ppy lobby as iv been there and done that and ref your post red death isnt used in all and every game that i play unlike the thorn was.
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Don't worry, you'll get your nerf eventually. Bungie doesn't want balance, they want a changing meta where something is always more powerful than everything else. They just change that something regularly to give everyone a new carrot to chase.
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Barely anyone even uses the Red Death in regular Crucible and only one person had it in my three matches of IB. Honestly, I see Hung Jury more.
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2 AntwortenYou tell people to form a cohesive argument on why red death is fine but you don't have one in your post to support your own claim besides a lot of people using it? I'm confused.
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8 AntwortenMan only if this mattered
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1 AntwortenWow. Go to sleep little guy. Its past your bedtime.
