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Bearbeitet von Dingus Khan:
10/23/2015 10:47:15 PM
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Red Death = Still a noobs best friend (and pulse rifles need to be taken down a notch.)
Made a post before where I called for a pvp red death nerf and said how prevalent it would be in Iron Banner and ToO. Got a lot of hate for it but oh well, I don't really give a shit. Lots of people got hate for calling for a Thorn nerf, Final Round, Sunbreaker, etc..... I should have originally made a post about pulse rifles in general instead of singling out Red Death but oh well.
Let's play a game... Go into an Iron Banner match. Then inspect each player. Count the number of Red Deaths. Then count the number of pulse rifles. Then count the number of ALL OTHER PRIMARY TYPES COMBINED. AFTER YOU DO THIS then come here and try to tell me that pulse rifles are not OP at all.
This shit is just as obnoxious as Thorn, take it down a notch please.
The issue is that it (and pulse rifles) outclasses all other primary classes. You can outsnipe snipers and scouts with red death. In ToO it gives you guaranteed instant health regen which allows you to fairly easily solo elimination teams if you know what you're doing. It -blam!-s with the dynamic of every firefight just as much as Thorn forcing you to take cover does, it's just that because it benefits the user nobody complains about it. My solution would be to make health regen not proc 100% of time on guardians (or require headshots to reward skilled usaged) and to bring the pulse rifle archetype [i]ever so slightly down[/i].
It isn't just Red Death however, pulse rifles are really too powerful now in general (Bungie you guys seem to be a little heavy handed with your nerfs and buffs. Make hand cannons not be total shit across the board please? Leave Thorn and TLW shitty, thats fine.)
Bungie please at least post some weapon stats for Iron Banner and ToO next week so I have some data to prove my point.
Oh also, I'll save you guys the time: "DrFaye you are trash lololol git gud!!!1111 I have 12.374 kd I am the best and I have no -blam!-ing life. How dare you ask for some balance in Destiny I will whine and cry and throw a lil tantrum because you attacked my crutch gun"
Please at least form a cohesive counter-argument as to why Red Death and pulse rifles are is fine the way it is instead of sounding like a 7 year old squeeker troll. Or stfu and gtfo.
I hope I will be dancing on Red Death's grave just as I danced on Final round, shot package, thorn, etc. Shits just as annoying at the moment. I'm sure it's inevitable at this point, I have been counting some Iron Banner matches where Red Death accounts for [i]half[/i] of the equipped primaries.
EDIT: I know mommy and daddy didn't give some of you enough attention but don't look for it here. I'm not going to waste my time responding to trolls who can't even use logic to form a counter-argument. Don't waste your breath (or your keystrokes I guess....)
EDIT 2: Maybe I should spin it this way as people seem to hate hearing the dirty word "nerf": [u]Let's [i]BUFF[/i] all the other weapons besides pulse rifles[/u]. Does that hurt you a little less to hear it said that way? Same goal just different method and a shorter average time to kill. And please stop acting like balance is a dirty thing. In a game like Destiny with hundreds of unique weapons and more on the way it's inevitable.
EDIT 3: Thanks for the laughs trolls. You guys need to try harder though. Hard to take any of you seriously about anything when you don't have enough brain cells to debate me and resort to name calling and crying like a little girl lolololol
EDIT 4: For all you clever little boys... NO SHIT I AM USING RED DEATH! Why wouldn't I? I mean it's pretty much one of the most OP guns in the game and I would be at a disadvantage if I didn't when entire fireteams of 6 are using them. Also, would you prefer I never had any experience using a Red Death before I passed judgement on it? I wreck with this shit. Too much.
EDIT 5: lol still scrubs coming here to tell me to "git gud" even when they have 0.8kd and shit, too funny.
TL;DR [i]Slight[/i] nerf to pulse rifles, buff autos and hand cannons back out of the gutter and leave scout rifles alone. Fixed your game for you Bungie. Balance is not "chasing the dragon" despite what your overly-emotional asses think, and don't blame me for the fact that Bungie doesn't know how to balance their game. Not all of us are cool with there being 1 primary choice.
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1 AntwortenOverall I hate when people say PvP is balanced now... When was the last time the thing that killed you wasn't a Gemini, Jade Rabbit, or a variety of pulse rifles?
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PvP needs it own gear.
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I get killed my hawksaw more
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Bearbeitet von gallp13: 10/26/2015 1:17:45 PMReason for this post is [b]STILL[/b] Red Death = DrFaye Killer
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3 AntwortenRed Death is the same weapon now as it was at Launch. It took a nerf once, but Bungie was quick to fix that, so clearly, they believe that it's in a good spot as an Exotic Pulse Rifle. Getting 2-burst kills isn't exactly an easy task with the amount of recoil on Red Death, and again, as an Exotic, the Health Regen perk is fine with me. That's pretty much all that weapon has going for it, and in the Crucible where every bit of health counts, I think you can see the appeal. Just because Pulse Rifles are the popular choice in the Crucible, doesn't mean the other weapons are unusable. They just aren't as EASY to use. Thorn and TLW can still kill just as quickly as they used to, but now it's a little harder to do. Auto Rifles can actually kill people now, and I think that's beautiful. Scout rifles are in a bit of a funny place though. The high rate-of-fire archetypes have mostly been removed, and the slower firing ones just aren't dealing enough damage. Hand Cannons, of course, got completely f*cked by the Stability and Damage fall off nerfs, and are more or less a death sentence in PVP unless you're using Hawkmoon. To be completely honest, Red Death isn't even that good. It just so happens to be one of the few Exotic Primaries that made it's way into year 2. There are still a dozen other very competitive PvP weapons available, and plenty of options besides Pulse Rifles to be successful. RavenousLD3341 seems to have a good Grasp on the situation. Find your own way to deal with it, and it's no longer a problem.
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2 Antworten2 burst kills are hard as -blam!- to get w/red death IMHO
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von Haffoc: 10/26/2015 10:54:14 AMWhen your whole argument is based around insults and name-calling, you know you are wrong. You've started off trying to diminish players, debate doesn't work that way. When people resort to insults and personal abuses, then, they have run out of logic. Here's something to ponder, insults/name-calling is a form of aggression, aggression is a base function. A starfish can demonstrate aggression - it has no brain.
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3 AntwortenPulse rifles don't need to be brought down, everything else just needs to to be brought up to that level.
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4 AntwortenPulse rifles are very hard to use, man. Looking at stock pulse rifles, they're really hard to control when you're under fire, while balancing doing some little movements to dodge shots and adjusting aim to hit an enemy doing the same. A pulse rifle gets absolutely boned when you get shot while firing. Your gun flies off in a direction and you need to re-adjust. Same goes for hand cannons and auto rifles. Other shots will mess up your aim. That's how the gun's balance really operates, that you need to focus solely on recoil. People are just getting very good at countering recoil. Pulse Rifles are in no need of a nerf, though. It's a skill people are coming to master. If running at people and getting two shot isn't your thing, go out and try to outplay them. Spend less time in the air, and spend more time either in close rand or in long range. Pulse rifles are strictly dominant in the medium range, and cannot operate well beyond that point.
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1 AntwortenDepends, I've been using my red death from last September and originally it wasn't a noob weapon.
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4 Antworten..hey control freak, work on yr pvp skills, or go nerf yrself!!..
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People are gonna say the same thing every time something gets needed
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3 AntwortenOnly problem Pulse rifle is Bad Juju
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3 AntwortenBearbeitet von RavenousLD3341: 10/23/2015 1:50:29 PMYou are bad at PvP if this is a problem for you. Pulse rifles do the same damage they did pre 2.0. It's just at the time Thorn was a two shot kill across the map. With hand cannons having their range and damage drop off reigned in pulse rifles work as they were designed to. Maybe if you hand put down the meta guns and actually experimented with different weapons you would know that. Bad juju in August 2015 27 Precision damage Bad juju in October 2015 27 precicion damage Red Death in August 2015 31-34 Precision Damage Read Death in October 2015 31-34 Precision Damage Ways to beat a pulse? Close distance with Auto Rifle Close Distance with Shotgun Close Distance with Handcannon Even the fast firing Bad Juju can't compete with the Antipodal Hindsight at close range, definitely can't compete with a shotgun, Hand cannons (with a skilled user) can shut them down faster than an auto rifle. Widen the gap with a Sniper Rifle. Seriously, 1-2 shots. They will have trouble hitting a target at proper sniper rifle range... especially if you use cover and don't be stupid. A super, 1 shot, don't miss. Rocket? Yup that'll do it, from across the map no less. Hell you can even scrub it up with proxy det. That's always fun. Sticky 'nade. HMG, holy crap these do the trick. Ruin wake/Quillim's Terminus will out damage them at rage.... looonnnngggg range. There are some tips for you crybaby. FYI..... i figured this out and I'm bad at PvP. [b]TL:DR[/b] You are bad, learn to counter.
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2 AntwortenRed death is ok but there's better pulse rifles
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Hawkmoon wrecks red death
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I can consistently outgun pulse rifle and red death users, with hand cannons and auto rifles, (love my byronic hero, and answering chord), no they don't need a nerf just use tactics, get dem headshots, try to get the first shot or two off before they do, things like that give you an edge.
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Bearbeitet von Mota JooBot: 10/20/2015 2:58:38 PMYou are wrong.. lol dude.. if i get overconfident and try pulse a guy with scout at long range.. i get wrecked. .. if i go to close to an auto with pulse, i get wrecked. The reason pulses are popular is not because they are OP but because they are highly functional at medium range, which is a great range to be strong with in modes like control.. Red death has very short range.. it has wide bullet spread, so if guys kill you at range, it's very possible there is something wrong with your internet connection. If your upload has high latency u cant dmg opponents in time to kill them. What is your ping, connection speed and Nat type?
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1 AntwortenFirst off i do not have a y2 red death and i havent used mine in the crucible for a while. Second im not questioning your skill at all. While i agree a lot of people use them, even red death, i havent had to much of a problem out gunning them with my hawkmoon or suros regime. Now i like where all the weapons so my opinion may be clouded but i dont have enough problems with red death to call it a crutch
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Since 2.0 there hasn't been a trials, and before that Thorn,m and FR sniper was King, how would know what the Red Death will be doing when trials starts again? Ass, instead of asking for more nerfs, ask for buffs, people like you are genuine scum!
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lolol what a little bitch get good breh
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The crucibabies are always crying Soon we will only be able to use pillows in the cruciable. But not to hit eachother cuz that would be way too OP. They will only.be allowed to be used for naps, cuz lord knows all you crucibabies need one.
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I believe the red dead need more impact it take lot of hits to kill somebody. I think the gun is ok just the way it is. I use it a lot all I can say I have had good game and shittie ones to. I think people bad connection is attributed to the and some cheaters. Even that I don't like the crucibles it's ok. I like that then the trials.
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You suck a butt. Git gud scrub
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[quote]Made a post before where I called for a pvp red death nerf and said how prevalent it would be in Iron Banner and ToO. Got a lot of hate for it but oh well, I don't really give a shit. Lots of people got hate for calling for a Thorn nerf, Final Round, Sunbreaker, etc..... Let's play a game... Go into an Iron Banner match. Then inspect each player. Count the number of Red Deaths. Then count the number of pulse rifles. Then count the number of ALL OTHER PRIMARY TYPES COMBINED. AFTER YOU DO THIS then come here and try to tell me that pulse rifles are not OP at all. This shit is just as obnoxious as Thorn, take it down a notch please. The issue is that it (and pulse rifles) outclasses all other primary classes. You can outsnipe snipers and scouts with red death. In ToO it gives you guaranteed instant health regen which allows you to fairly easily solo elimination teams if you know what you're doing. It -blam!-s with the dynamic of every firefight just as much as Thorn forcing you to take cover does, it's just that because it benefits the user nobody complains about it. My solution would be to make health regen not proc 100% of time on guardians (or require headshots to reward skilled usaged) and to bring the pulse rifle archetype [i]ever so slightly down[/i]. It isn't just Red Death however, pulse rifles are really too powerful now in general (Bungie you guys seem to be a little heavy handed with your nerfs and buffs. Make hand cannons not be total shit across the board please? Leave Thorn and TLW shitty, thats fine.) Bungie please at least post some weapon stats for Iron Banner and ToO next week so I have some data to prove my point. Oh also, I'll save you guys the time: "DrFaye you are trash lololol git gud!!!1111 I have 12.374 kd I am the best and I have no -blam!-ing life. How dare you ask for some balance in Destiny I will whine and cry and throw a lil tantrum because you attacked my crutch gun" Please at least form a cohesive counter-argument as to why Red Death and pulse rifles are is fine the way it is instead of sounding like a 7 year old squeeker troll. Or stfu and gtfo. I hope I will be dancing on Red Death's grave just as I danced on Final round, shot package, thorn, etc. Shits just as annoying at the moment. I'm sure it's inevitable at this point, I have been counting some Iron Banner matches where Red Death accounts for [i]half[/i] of the equipped primaries. EDIT: I know mommy and daddy didn't give some of you enough attention but don't look for it here. I'm not going to waste my time responding to trolls who can't even use logic to form a counter-argument. Don't waste your breath (or your keystrokes I guess....) EDIT 2: Maybe I should spin it this way as people seem to hate hearing the dirty word "nerf": [u]Let's [i]BUFF[/i] all the other weapons besides pulse rifles[/u]. Does that hurt you a little less to hear it said that way? Same goal just different method and a shorter average time to kill. And please stop acting like balance is a dirty thing. In a game like Destiny with hundreds of unique weapons and more on the way it's inevitable. EDIT 3: Thanks for the laughs trolls. You guys need to try harder though. Hard to take any of you seriously about anything when you don't have enough brain cells to debate me and resort to name calling and crying like a little girl lolololol EDIT 4: For all you clever little boys... NO SHIT I AM USING RED DEATH! Why wouldn't I? I mean it's pretty much one of the most OP guns in the game and I would be at a disadvantage if I didn't when entire fireteams of 6 are using them. Also, would you prefer I never had any experience using a Red Death before I passed judgement on it? I wreck with this shit. Too much. TL;DR [i]Slight[/i] nerf to pulse rifles, buff autos and hand cannons back out of the gutter and leave scout rifles alone. Fixed your game for you Bungie. Balance is not "chasing the dragon" despite what your overly-emotional asses think, and don't blame me for the fact that Bungie doesn't know how to balance their game. Not all of us are cool with there being 1 primary choice.[/quote] Hmm did u know that u need to master red death u dont want to use it? Use it and u will get wrecked friends of mine none of them use red death cuz they cant handle the aim sooo ???
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6 AntwortenFirst of all English is not my mother language so i'm sorry. Then lets start First they call for nerf auto "they become useless " then hand cannon "and yeah they become useless " and now pules rifles "." Wow Nerf supers nerf shotguns Ohh i forget about melees Nerf warlock melee it has too much range Nerf titan melee its one hit kill Not just that they even whining about the jumps Nerf blink "." That's exactly why I quit destiny I'm sorry but even if they nerf pules and they well do , u guys well call for nerfs in scouts:) then auto again and like that 4 ever
