I'll just say one thing [spoiler]warlock melee.[/spoiler] And [spoiler]sunsinger with Ram[/spoiler] I'll just leave this here [quote][quote]Since most of you whiners have the attention span of a newborn chimpanzee, here's a [b]TLDR[/b]: [i]If you whine about Hunters' subclasses, or Titans being OP: it's a you-problem. Check the stats [url=http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population]here[/url], then go work on your skills.[/i] [u]____________________________________[/u] Recently there have been more and more Hunters weeping over their subclasses being too weak. Which is, of course, complete rubbish. Like a Gunslinger with Golden Gun I am here to burst your bubbles of delusion, with facts derived from statistics. Now I know that some of you moaners will dispute the statistics' significance- and by all means do so... But if you have nothing but useless anecdotes to offer, sorry, but you have no case. Let's start by clearing out the demographics in the crucible, across all platforms: 34.2% plays as Hunter 33.6% plays as Warlock 32.2% plays as Titan As you can see, no class is over-represented, thus can we deduce that none of the following stats will be skewed to a point of being unreliable. Top 100 players (by class) 1st place: Hunters at 36.1% 2nd place: Titans at 32.6% 3rd place: Warlocks at 31.3% Congratulations Hunters! You are the undisputed Kings and Queens of the hill. Top 10,000 players (the average Joe, by class) 1st place: Hunters at 35.3% 2nd place: Warlocks at 32.7% 3rd place: Titans at 32% Congratulations Hunters! Yet again you're at the top. Let's break down the subclass demographics: [u]Hunters[/u] 51% Bladedancers 49% Gunslingers [u]Titans[/u] 47% Defenders 53% Strikers [u]Warlocks[/u] 62% Sunsingers 38% Voidwalkers Let's have a look at the AVERAGE KDR: [u]Hunters[/u] Bladedancers > 1 Gunslingers > 1 [u]Titans[/u] Defender < 1 Striker < 1 [u]Warlocks[/u] Voidwalker < 1 Sunsinger < 1 As most of you know, the current PvP meta game consists of an exotic handcannon and a shotgun: 1) Handcannons 1,466,551,647 kills 2) Shotguns 1,441,875,593 kills 3) Melee 1,082,244,380 kills A common complaint is how Titans Shoulder charge is sooooo OP, so let's see who's the worst perpetraitor. 1) Sunsingers 281,325,978 (26% of) melee kills 2) Strikers 193,989,846 (17.93% of) melee kills 3) Bladedancer 175,413,331 melee kills 4) Voidwalker 14.84% 5) Defender 13.65% 6) Gunslinger 11.37% So... Shoulder charge is the problem, but you don't mind being killed by warlocks almost twice as often? Hmm. Gunslingers though, thumbs up if you know how to throw your knife. Now onto the real problem. Arcblade needs a buff right? Or was Golden Gun the useless super? Fist of Havoc is too OP? 1) Bladedancer at 207,596,562 kills (21.73%) 2) Gunslinger at 179,520,390 kills (18.79%) 3) Striker at 178,059,836 kills (18.64%) 4) Sunsinger at 15.71% 5) Voidwalker at 12.60% 6) Defender 12.52% So, now that we've established that Hunters get the absolute highest amount of kills with their supers, I think it's safe to say that you need to stop weeping for nerfs. Seriously, stop. Anyways, the last myth to debunk: Hunter grenades suck, Magnetic grenade and Lightning grenade are OP: 1) Sunsinger at 173,643,166 grenade kills 2) Bladedancer at 129,281,096 grenade kills 3) Gunslinger at 104,629,378 grenade kills 4) Voidwalker at 98,384,135 grenade kills 5) Striker at 90,707,260 grenade kills 6) Defender at 67,964,843 grenade kills Yeeeeeeeeessss... Lightning grenades and Magnetic grenades are the problem... One word: bolt. To any Titan out there being annoyed by Hunters crying and moaning, refer to this thread. [b]Source of information[/b]: Destiny Tracker, downloaded at 12:15 PM on the 27th of August 2015, from http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population [b]Authors note[/b]: Statistics on Destiny Tracker are updated every 15 minutes, and thus people will find differing numbers while cross checking the source. Did I miss anything? Grammar or spelling mistake? Post a comment below! EDIT: [i]On a completely unrelated note. THANK YOU BUNGIE for the great video over at Game Informer. I absolutely loved the return of humour and honesty. You really nailed the description of the community being more like shareholders than hobby gamers. I strongly recommend anyone reading this to look up the Game Informer video (released on the 26th).[/i][/quote] M aiq The Liar

You write like a Titan.

I dont care about your post or comments, but would like to correct your comment on the grenade spam. If using the magical thing called praxic fire and max discipline, then you litterally can spam grenades. Almost as quickly as you throw them. Pair ontop of that the perk that give burn to your grenades, and firebolt grenades, you can spam grenades. TL;DR- read it lazy ass. [spoiler]real tldr - praxic fire chest and max discipline = spam grenades in radiance. [/spoiler]

Ok... So no hate here. I'm going to support the argument, even though I do not believe it. Here goes... 1) Supers: Nova Bomb is literally a distance or close range doomsday space magic explosion. It's like FoH, but you don't have to be super close to do damage. The problem. FoH is close range and a very small margin of error (easy to sidestep at a distance). Nova Bomb can act as a close range FoH or a long range attack that is unavoidable and more maneuverable. Now the Sunsinger is another spectrum. You can self-res, which is scrubby in itself. You revive behind someone and basically grenades or melee them to Death with an Overshield. That brings me to my next point. 2) Melee: Warlocks have an extremely long melee range, longer that Titans and I am pretty sure a bit farther than hunters as well. However, your melees can take back health from another player with energy drain. This means that if you can melee someone, you regain some health. That's not scrubish? 3) Main perk: Titans are heavily armored and Hunters are extremely agile. You Warlocks are high in restoration. Your health is regained through melee and your basic health regen is faster than the others. Agility is good is you make sure of it and armor is only a small percentage helpful, but regaining health rapidly is invaluable in the crucible. 4) Grenades: Let's be honest, Warlocks have the best grenades. High damage [i]and[/i] tracking or burn? That's BS. You basically do damage to them by getting it close and it is difficult and inconvenient for others to avoid those. You think it's skill to throw a grenade close-ish to someone and get a kill? No. I don't think so. So that's all I've got. I know a lot are gonna check my stats and criticize, but this info is from other forums, my personal experience against Warlocks, and the internet. I ask that you guys please enlighten me on the skill of playing a Warlock in a kind manner. I know there are other adults on here who can ask nature about this.

I think its about personal preference, been playing this game since the beta with a warlock, i went from having 3 warlocks to one of each class then going back having 2 warlocks and a titan. I think hunter are absolute beast in the crucible, most people who have a hunter love doing crucible. I am pve player so i like warlock and titan because of their abilities to support a fireteam, hunter not so much unless you want to turn invisible all the time. Thatbeen said everyone as their one play style and i think people calling a player a noob just because they use a specific class especially warlock class is just dumb, i use to have 3 warlock and the only reasons i did that back then you had to run vog multiple times in the hope to get gear, they did not call it forever 29 and god mode 30 for kicks. Anyway play whatever class that feel right with you, who cares.

Cause Warlocks are too good for them

They have the dumbest long range attack (AKA melee) ever. They have a freaking bomb that can be THROWN!!! They have the ability to troll the crap out of people by COMING BACK TO LIFE!!! How are they not for noobs. There is no challenge to being a warlock! I see people that can't hit someone with a nova bomb.... THAT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF A NOOB!!! Please tell me I'm not the only person who sees this. 😂

I think that the warlock has been designed for casual players with low skill because it's very easy to play with

Titan bubbles are so weak. Shotgun + melee and other supers take you down so easily

too many reasons to list.

Flame shield, Viking funeral that burns you for years, super that can bring you back from the dead, don't forget about the ram...I could go on for awhile but I'll stop.

They are for both low and high skilled players - But not middle skill Middle skill is for hunters and Titans High end skill is to me requires finesse and control Low end skill to me is brute force Middle ground is a good mix of everything Using both finesse and force to gain max leverage in every situation . Unfortunately warlocks are all force or all finesse or a trade off of one for the other but never at the same time - * remember now this is just the opinion of Deeez Nutzz * - an example to clarify what I'm saying - For me I will use a sniper and angel of light from far away - but then switch to an auto rifle / MG when the heavy spawns - save my super for that moment to make sure I reign supreme - So as you can see it's all finesse at first - then I switch to beast mode when my magic is charged . - then back to finesse man - and so on ----- so...... Noobs use low skill maneuvers with warlocks Righteously skilled vets use finesse - insane MLG pros can do mid skilled warlock because of some insane NLB shit !!!!!!! I dunno is all I gotta say bout that maybe one day

Because when you start a Warlock alt or main you are a brand spanking-new noob. Same for the other two classes, amirite?

Because people say hunters are noobs, and people say titans are for noobs. Let's all be noobs together.

Bc salt

Because they're the easiest to use in PvP and Pve.

I run warlock 1.1 kd I run titan .9

i have all three classes. all I gotta say is warlock is the most fun.