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4/19/2015 6:12:41 AM
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Is Shoulder Charge balanced in Crucible?
I don't think it is.
Before its all like "enjoy your whine and cheese - get gud skrub" lets look at some very simple facts.
Of all the 1HK methods of dying in Crucible, nearly all of them have a cooldown or are otherwise limited.
Supers - Cooldown
Heavy - Limited ammo and timer
Particular 1HK Melee - Cooldown
Shotgun and Sniper final round - Limited ammo and timer.
Particular 1HK grenade - Cooldown
Any others that I have missed?
The thing is, Shoulder Charge is a 1HK and you can spam it all match, every match, I know it does technically have a cooldown, but its so short (few seconds) that it really becomes a moot point.
Also note this is a unique option to the Titans only, giving this arguably very powerful negligible-cooldown 1HK ability and other classes don't have a similar feature or ability.
My suggestion for a fix? Connect the shoulder charge 1HK capability to the melee cooldown. If you shoulder charge and you have a melee ability available, it is a 1HK, if melee is in cooldown, the shoulder charge does of course does damage, just not a 1HK.
In other words, make it work just like the melee attacks that can 1HK, if they have the ability primed, then dead, otherwise it does less damage (generally a 2HK or so, just like normal melee)
Thoughts?
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If you die repeatedly to shoulder charge you are just bad and therefore your thoughts on it are irrelevant. Honestly who dies a lot to shoulder charge? I'm not even good at the crucible and can avoid it so you have no excuses
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6 AntwortenWarlocks and hunters get blink. Titans deserve shoulder charge
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Warlocks = Blink + Shotgun (+ retarded melee range) Hunters = Blink + Shotgun Titans = Shoulder Charge
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7 AntwortenIt's surprising that some people lack the mental capacity to shoot the person who is sprinting towards them
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1 AntwortenLol warlocks can't complain about melees
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Shoulder charge is the same as running around with shotgun which is easy to counter and our standard melee is cheeks. Snipers, shotguns, fusion rifles, grenades, heavy weapons and most primaries counter shoulder charge so what's imbalanced about it? Here's a pro tip don't bum rush if your opponent is bum rushing you and don't camp a corner where it's easy to get shoulder charged.
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4 AntwortenIt can stay the way it is, as long as a hunter critical throwing knife hit can become a one hit kill. It's downright stupid how a knife in your face can't kill you in one hit but ramming into someone can.
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One one hand it can be used infinitely and 1 shot and if nerfed to no 1 shot in pve I found that you can instantly punch after charging On the other in PvP you face the chance of getting a face full of buckshot It needs a nerf
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4 AntwortenYou don't need to go into all this detail, OP. There are 3 things to say about shoulder charge. -Three Second cooldown. -OHKO -Almost literally impossible to avoid. (I've only ever seen it happen once and I'm pretty sure the dude only made it out because of a luckily timed Blink. The only downside that's specific to Charging is the fact that you have to spend 0.5 seconds sprinting to get it going.
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It's fine as it is. I'm sorry you have three warlocks so I can't take you seriously. If a Titan gets the drop on you, it doesn't matter if it's shoulder charge or two fists; you've already been flanked. One or two hit kills here have almost no time in between. If you see a Titan running at you, you get the hell out of the area. Only two reasons for a Titan to charge: shoulder charge, or havoc. Defenders usually play more reserved, so you don't usually see them aggro.
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6 AntwortenI believe it should stay a titan 1hk and its power be increased, my titans only lvl2 but my friend runs a 31 and seen it take 2hits to drop plenty of people, so im on the opposite side of the spectrum. Though i see and understand your point i just feel differently about the matter but i do appreciate the well layed out fact based opinion raised here, it showed me the different viable ways for 1hk that i until now had not put much thought in, kudos guardian
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You tell me. Look at this footage and tell me its not op www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA
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I think its fine. U can still put their ass down with a shotgun.
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The thing is we need to sprint to an enemy and if he sees us we are screwed and will get a shotgun in the face
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Bearbeitet von WileEWolf: 4/19/2015 4:28:57 PMI get irritated by (virtually) all one hit kills, so YES, I DO think Shoulder Charge needs to get toned down. They should make it a 3/4 damage strike, so you have to follow it up with a gun shot or a punch. The only one-shot kills I approve of are: - Sniper Rifle Headshots - close-quarters shotguns - Grenades - Supers
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1 AntwortenTitans don't have blink. We also have the worst supers in terms of getting multiple kills. Usually a striker super is good for 2 kills if you're lucky. I personally think it's a fair trade.
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6 AntwortenMy thought is your just as damn stupid as all the other cry babies. Every one of these posts are the same. "It kills me, and I'm to big of an asshole to adapt, so you should make at easier for me! It's not fairrrrrrrrrr" go back to patrol or whatever you're good at
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The striker kids are mad lol
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its OP and you need to know how to deal with it (One hit with a shotgun will sort it) Save shotgun ammo till u see titan , then use it Guess what?it 1HKs
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Shut up. Have you actually used a Titan in pvp and used shoulder charge. It requires luck.
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3 lv 32 warlocks. Of course you would bitch about another class. Lol
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Bearbeitet von NinjaSquirrel: 4/19/2015 3:55:01 PMI think its balanced by the fact that the titan normal melee has the range of about 1ft. Warlock melee is about shotgun range and hunters are in the middle off the two prob closer to the warlocks tho. If you see a titan running straight at you he is going to shoulder charge or fist of panic you. Its in you best intest to kill him quickly or get out of the way.
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Titans don't have blink, which has virtually no cool down and greatly enhances the capability of shotguns and of running away like a fairy.
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12 AntwortenExcuse me? You have Warlocks with a one shotting Melee , and you get two if you have the Claws on. With Hunters you take 50% damage reduction in blade dancer. And then there's blink. As for should charge, if you cant pull out a shotgun before that titan reaches you then you don't know how to play Crucible.
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I went from getting 0-1 melee on my hunter each game to easily getting 3-5 every game. It's a bit auto aimed though just like the throwing knife
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1 AntwortenYou don't even have a Titan.
