Just curious how much do we all really know? I think pve players are jumping the gun a little quick. wait till it drops before you say there's nothing.

I too, am a raider. I raid constantly, I am that guy you goto when you want a full team established in a matter of seconds. I am the one who will give up my spot in a raid to one who has not gotten the rewards. I raid constantly. They will be adding another raid it will just come "later in the year" whenever that is. Just look at the bright side, they may not put out the raid right away, but they probably are just making it better. They don't want to push out a glitchy messed up raid just to have us complain, they probably need the time to perfect it. That's the only reason I think they are doing it, unless they waited till the last minute in making it. But either way there will be another raid.

Im not trying to be insulting to your post but there is still a raid coming weather that's a month after the release or two months there still giving the community a ton of content alot more than what we've gotten so far ,not saying this should satisfy any of the "raiders" but one of the biggest complaints is the raid not being ready or not enough. Guess what bungies doing after the expansion there probably working on that raid and its probably gonna be pretty dam awsome and also they haven't given alot of info about whats going on with the raid besides the fact it's not coming right away

Crota's End was all PvE. It's PvPs turn, calm down.

I'll stay optimistic for the new content, but I agree with you. I'm not a must finish both Atheon and Crota on normal and hard on all three characters type of player but the effort to find a solid crew to raid with and and to weed out a bunch of folks from random places and to find the ones you click with then only to find out not only isn't there a new raid but it's also three played only for the new mode.... That's kinda blah. People who are complaining rationally and soundly aren't complaining because Destiny is all they do. At least not me. There was a different expectation from this game than that from COD. What was supposed to set Destiny apart from those games, or a big part of it, were the raids. New loot is cool, but I have new loot from The Dark Below that is quickly dismantled (blue loot) so it's only the exotics. new strikes are nice, but it's a sliver of what SHOULD have been there in the first place. Same with story missions. A lot of people were already highly dissatisfied with the first "expansion pack" which really didn't expand on much to begin with. I believe there are a lot of things riding on this for Bungie and they are cutting out a good amount of people by not having a raid. I think they might be holding back on announcing the new raid (if it's gonna be "free" or part of the "bigger" expansion pack not covered by the season pass) to see what kind of backlash they receive. $35/$40 for mediocre content on top of a $60 game is really to me the broader issue here. It's lacking so much in the story department alone. And just left things hanging and it seems like they just want to sweep loose ends under the rug and call that wrapped up. Let's not forget about the glitches in both PVP and PVE. I don't know. I know business is business and their end goal is to make money. But it's kinda gouging at this point especially if HOW fails to deliver and it already has failed to deliver on the people who avidly raid. And it seems that a lot of "new" things on HOW are just repackaged content. Like the "tournament," those are probably the same line of codes from Iron Banner with a little bit of re-wording and glitter thrown in. And a lot of people didn't buy the expansion packs to get new shades or ships or other things that are essentially purely for aesthetic. Like I said re-packaged content. It isn't difficult to add shades or new ships to the game. It's like bloat ware. I think if they included a raid with HOW it would feel much more up to par with what was paid. Two (three? I'm not super sure-raid, horde, PVP) different ways to max out light sounds good. There are so many things lacking from Destiny since Day 1. If I wasn't such a social player, and have a great group of people I run raids (even super glitch ones) with, I would have traded my copy in already. And many already have and I have a feeling many will.

-So whats coming in the new dlc Trials of Osiris: pvp tournament with new looking weapons and badass armor, shader, emblem, and Fate of All Fools. The Arena: New type of gladiator like activity that has never been seen before. (How about something once in a while?) Lots new loot to aquire (raid loot equivalent). Queens Wrath: most likely will return with the new dlc. 3 story missions. Fye looking vendor gear. One strike (ps strike maybe?). HELLA SHIPS (leaked). New crucible arenas. UPGRADEABLE RAID GEAR. 3 exotic weapons (a ps exotic maybe?). Lots of new exotic Armor. ....and people still cry at the end of the day. Tragic. Good job Bungie, i look forward to House Of Wolves.

Have you played HoW yet? Neither have I, we can't judge it yet.