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4/2/2015 2:43:47 AM
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The Last Word
How is this gun fair for PvP, it kills as fast as heavy machine guns WHOS AMMO IS REGULATED and the range stat means nothing since from both being killed by and killing with it can do mid-long range just fine and faster than most other handcannons. Im very confused as to be why this is a primary, if the range stat actually mattered for the gun it wouldn't be so bad but this is insane, all the recent nerfs have been a great step forward in balancing PvP, this is my final gripe. Look at the kill time sheet posted in the link above, this is finally definitive proof for my argument, and don't bother commenting "get better" or "adapt" or whatever, those are irrelavent and make no sense, my stats speak for themselves, i've done all the "adapting" I can.
EDIT: Im done responding since everyone on this forum hasn't played other FPS games and doesn't realize that balance is key to a good game and that apparently you are OK with spawning with a gun that kills as fast as HMG which have REGULATED AMMO due to their killing speed and ability, this entire community has always left me dumbfounded
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5 AntwortenWant some cheese with that whine?
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Its been like that for a long time now, the thorn got overbuffed as well which makes crucible more about handcannons because of all the awful testing biased towards handcannons in patches They're allowing very easy to use fast ttk guns as primaries... They need new unbiased testers to balance the guns properly
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3 Antworten"GREAT STEP FORWARD IN BALANCING PVP" Really? Made auto rifles obsolete, made pulse rifles god like. You sure you're not high?
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6 AntwortenWhen we first saw the presentation at E3, hand cannons were a special weapon, which makes sense. At some point it was clear that Bungie wanted more options for a primary so they moved hand cannons over to the primary slot and tweaked damage values. But in order to make it a viable primary it had to have a boost in range. Unfortunately, this broke how they work in PVP. Because no matter what the impact is on a Hand Cannon, it shouldn't have the same range as a Scout Rifle. The majority of the updates to Destiny have been because of imbalances in PVP, yet they continue to do very little toward hand cannon range. In all likelihood, Bungie is afraid that nerfing hand cannons will kill the PVP population, because all the top players use Hand Cannons such as TLW, Thorn, and Hawkmoon religiously. Why wouldn't they? I don't have a problem with the kill times on TLW but it is very much a dueling Hand Cannon and it's range should be just slightly larger than a shotgun. A gun such as this should be in capable of Crits when aiming down the sights and should only be able to Crit from the hip. No one can deny the imbalance of hand cannons in the PVP of Destiny. People will try to insult you, but all they are doing is proving your point. Hopefully they will do another nerf to Hand Cannon range someday, but I'm not holding my breath. I will continue to take the high road and use other Primary weapons.
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3 AntwortenI think hand cannons should have the lowest range, accuracy, and aim assist for primaries. It would make them more of a skill based weapon. They shouldn't out range any rifle.
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How is adapt not a valid argument? Ever play Rock/Paper/Scissors? You counter guns and play style with different guns and play style. If enemies are running at you with shotguns, you counter by staying back and sniping or fusion rifles. I'm a TLW user and Red Death eats me alive bc of its range. Every gun has an answer to it.
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Stop whining. I hope I run into you in PvP so I can murk you with my last word.
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1 AntwortenActually, if you check out this spreadsheet of weapon damage data, you'll see that your "kills as fast as HMG" is false. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit#gid=0 Does it have one of the fastest TTK's in the game? You bet.. with 3x headshots. Guess who gest 3x headshots? Really good players. You know what else they can headshot you with? Just about everything. Red Death is actually a 2x headshot kill, with a very comparable TTK. Hawkmoon can actually 1 shot you with a bonus damage headshot, which happens with about 1/4th of the mag with the perks on. What else? Every sniper in the game. Fusion rifles and shotguns up close. Let's not forget about the sniper in the shotgun slot.. Felwinter's Lie. Considering all of that, I don't see the problem man. It's a top tier weapon that a lot of good players use.. because it's good.
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Stop crying or else all hand cannons are gonna get a bigger nerf and the only reason they get merged is because of people like you crying to their mommys at bungie and getting something changed just because a few people want something changed and it happens and then when you do wind up getting that gun you cried about not having the stats that it used to have when you didn't have it
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TLW is fine it's the most rewarding kill of any gun right now!
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There's nothing wrong with the last word. Highly effective in the hands of a skilled player but not even remotely OP.
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Takes 3/4 of the cylinder to kill. Very rare to get kills in 3-4 shots. Its slightly longer to kill than with my red death
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4 Antwortenbud, this gun might be OP but only in the hands of a truly skilled person. I see a vast majority of people using this gun and failing (me included) in PvP. If you don't have great skill in aiming your gun you get penalized using TLW much more so than any other weapon in the game.
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Everyone has an opinion on what's over powered, usually it's the weapon or super that kills them the most. People complain about TLW, Thorn, shotguns, fusion rifles, snipers, Vex, red death, Suros (not anymore), hunter supers, titan supers, warlock supers (not really). Unless you seriously expect ALL of those things to be taken back to the drawing board for rebalancing, you're better learning to enjoy the game for what it is or choosing a new multiplayer.
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You are an idiot
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TLW can be easily outgunned at long range, at mid range, it's still tricky to land those shots, so I think it depends on the player. At close range though, it destroys.
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agreed. The range on The Last Word is about the only remaining issue i care about with weapon balance. It really shouldn't be relevant outside of close or very short mid-range.
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2 AntwortenThe Last Word ... Was my last exotic shard.
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2 AntwortenYour point is a bit muddled but the premise is correct. There is no weapon in the game even close to TLW in terms of kill speed.
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Somebody call whine one one No seriously, the downside is accuracy, range, and small mag size. It's a con for the shooter, not a pro for the target. I don't think it's that much different from other primary exotics, especially... Regime, Vex, Thorn.
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Must have killed you with it.
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Feed me your tears!!!
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5 AntwortenYour tears taste delicious.
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Haha I love these posts, owell on to the next Thread to collect some tears.
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How about we discuss it's strengths and completely ignore it's weaknesses?
