Depending on several layers of RNG to get the best crucible guns. It took me well over 10 hours in the hollowed lair to get the mindbenders on my warlock which is the best one I have ever gotten and yet is still 2 perks off of being the best you can get. I’ve been doing the dreaming city milestones every week since forsaken and have never gotten even a decent retold or the curated twilight oath. Don’t even get me started on spare rations which took me several 6+ hour reckoning grind sessions just to get one with a range stat over 60 when the range can techinically be over 90 with max range, ricochet rounds, and rangefinder. I did 30 last wish runs and several bridge chest cheeses before I got a snapshot supremacy. I liked grinding for beloved and austringer because the grind was fun and efficient, even though it may have been pretty broken getting at least 4 guaranteed chances at a good roll every 10 minutes of a menagerie run. I liked grinding for blast furnace and kindled orchid and tatara guys because you get a guaranteed drop every 15ish minutes it takes to complete a frame. The same can’t be said for the stuff that I listed above which is really frustrating. I wish bungie would lean more toward grinding methods like menagerie and forges and lean much further away from stuff like reckoning. It doesn’t completely eliminate the grind by giving everyone perfect guns through minimal effort since you still need to actually get a good roll, but at least the RNG of getting the gun in the first place is gone and grinding weapons is something that feels rewarding and worth your time.