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"That wasn't real Communism"

As most of you have been here for quite some time, you've probably all heard the argument [i]that wasn't real Communism [/i] by now. It's often used by Communists when someone else criticises Communism as a whole. I'm here to tell you that they're right. Before you downvote me to oblivion and back, hear me out. [b]I'm not here to defend Communism. [/b] The original Communist idea, as stated by Marx, has never been accomplished. Neither did Marxist-Leninism. These are the only 'real' forms of Communism (according to Communists). Now, when I say they've never been executed probably, that doesn't mean I think it's a successful political and economic system. Believe me, it's not. So why do Communists say everytime that [i][insert random Communist country here][/i]? Because all these countries were Stalinist, not Communist. What's Stalinism, you might ask? Simply put: it's Fascism disguised as Communism. North Korea, Cuba, USSR/CCCP, they are/were all Stalinist. Stalinism is the further evolution of fase 2 of Marx's road to total Communism: a dictatorship of the people until the proletariat can rule itself (this is fase 3). Obviously, this third fase is not realistic and absolutely not possible, but only if the third fase has been reached, you can legitimately say that country is Communist. Never has a rising Communist country reached the third fase, and it won't ever happen. The third fase is impossible to realise, thus making Communism irrelevant. [b]That means the argument [i]that wasn't real Communism[/i] is quite stupid as well, because there will never be [i]real Communism[/i]. [/b] [b]TL;DR:[/b] [i]that wasn't real Communism[/i] is a correct, but stupid and irrelevant argument [spoiler]I'm Marxist, by the way. Fight me [/spoiler]
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  • Disagree. As a child of the Cold War, we used to make the distinction between communism "with small c" and Communism with "a big C". While---after 30 years---I've forgotten which is which, the point is that there was a difference between Communism in the ABSTRACT....and Communism in the real world. Communism in the ABSTRACT...has never been achieved....and it never will until you EVOLVE a better class of human being. One that doesn't act like a (as a colleague of mine like to say) "a scared little monkey". Communism in the abstract is a BENEVOLENT dictatorship by the working class over society, where they control all economic activity. A dictatorship where everyone works in an ALTRUISTIC way for the benefit of the Society as whole. The problem is that NO REAL group of human beings are that benevolent, and that altruistic OUTSIDE OF A MONASTERY OR CONVENT. Therefore Communism is an UNWORKABLE political and economic ideology UNLESS you are dealing with a society of saints. So what happens when you try to apply in the REAL WORLD, is that you get some variant of Stalinism. Which is just your garden-variety totalitarian state...where the state controls all the wealth and all the economic activity. So instead of a society dominated by the "economic and intellectual elite" (the bourgeois), you get a society dominated by an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy. (Oligarchy). There is also no altruism from the people. People aren't rewarded for the efforts, and aren't willing to work hard for altruistic motives. So everyone does the bare MINIMUM that they can get away with doing....so the economic engine of the country grind to a halt. So, other than the bureaucratic elite, pretty much everyone else lives in some form of poverty. Which is why North Korea (every few years) has to threaten to start WWIII in order to blackmail the rest of the world into giving it the food it needs to keep its people from starving.

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