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6/6/2016 4:25:38 PM
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Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer any of us may ever see. He was also a paragon of perseverance in the face of extremely difficult odds with his fight against Parkinson's. However, he was just a man and had many flaws, it's okay to respect his accomplishments but also mind his failures/faults.
[spoiler]failures like [b]illegally[/b] refusing the draft and being a member of the Nation of Islam, a [b]hate[b] group[/spoiler]
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What was that spoiler for?
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In case I was spoiling someone's misconceived notion of who Muhammad Ali was.
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You destroyed all credibility in your first paragraph. But that's just my humble opinion.
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Destroyed whose credibility?
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Your own.
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Not really.
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When you say, "really" that means you're not 100% sure of what you said?
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I'm very confident in what I said, I'm just being nice to you and no full on blasting your assessment. You said I destroyed my credibility with my first paragraph, when all I stated was truth. He might be the greatest boxer ever and his fight against his debilitating Parkinson's is very admirable. However, he dodged his legal obligation and was part of a hate group.
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Most of the "facts" you said in your "truth" are merely your opinions. An example being calling all of Islam a hate group. So you're saying [i]every[/i]single person part of Islam is an [b]extremist[/b]?
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I didn't say Islam was hate group... I was talking about the Nation of Islam, Ali was a member of it, which is viewed as a hate group by the southern poverty law center...
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Bearbeitet von Richthofen: 6/6/2016 7:17:32 PMIt's not considered a hate group by everyone still, is it? That's only [i]one[/i] example I brought out of your "truth".
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Bearbeitet von BlaqSpiral: 6/6/2016 7:19:58 PMThey are still considered a hate group, they're at least tracked as one.
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1. In your opinion. 2. You could say that for everything, including all religions, not just Islam. 3.You still haven't answered my question, and you are blocking it with your own.
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[quote]In a press conference articulating his opposition to the Vietnam War, Ali stated, "My enemy is the white people, not the Vietcong".[119] In relation to integration, he said: "We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad don't want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don't want to live with the white man; that's all."[120] And in relation to inter-racial marriage: "No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters."[/quote] [quote]Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not "righteous".[/quote]
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Great read, now could you post the link. Even in the exert you posted, it states that those were the thoughts of a different time. Also don't see anything regarding Islam here. Like I said, Islam was just [i]one[/i] of the things I pointed out, and you're just constantly rambling.
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It was a quick Wikipedia search under Mohammed Ali... I most definitely never said they were current quotes, nor opinions. I was simply pointing out that there are some very fair, quite serious criticisms that "The Champ" deserves.
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What question? I said I was talking about a group known as the Nation of Islam which is widely touted as Black supremacist organization that is anti-Semitic... of which is tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I didn't say anything about Islam as a whole. Muhammad Ali was a well known member of this group, especially during its hay day. I'm actually avoiding nothing, you just need to work on your comprehension.
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Not misconceived at all.
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How was refusing the draft a failure? He was heralded as a hero for that.
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No matter your opinion on Vietnam and what it did/didn't do, he broke the law. This is situation where people let their emotions guide their reason. He attempted to hide behind his faith and fame in order to break the law... that's undeniable. Ultimately, he served his time, but he deserved his punishment.
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He broke the law and paid the price. Stop complaining about it.
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I'm not complaining, you actually just mirrored what I said.
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Yeah he broke the law. But this is the same country where he got called a n*gger on a daily basis and was seen as sub tier, so why should he be forced to fight for a country that doesn't treat him like a human being?
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That's a fair argument about the time he was dealing with, but any males of fighting age and ability were required by law to show up upon drafting. Of course, he wasn't the only person drafted that got shit on during that time. He was just one of the few who purposely exploited his faith and fame to avoid his obligation.
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He was an active conscientious objector to the war. He didn't avoid it because he was scared, he and genuine reasons which I stated.
