personally, i think it is the worst PvP i've ever played, not saying i hate the game, I am absolutely hooked. But the PvP is not fun if you don't have Thorn or Last Word. People who run around using shotguns as a primary (not including Universal Remote). If Bungie had a look at the most used weapons in crucible, i think it is a dead give away what needs to be nerfed, hopefully not as much as Bungie analy wrecked Auto Rifles. Iron Banner is completely full of these people. I mean, hey, Thorn is great fun to use, same with Last Word but using make the game no fun for other people who are using them. At least the hand cannons require some skill, rather than shotguns.... It does my head in.... Thanks for reading my rant lol