I say this because 80% of the games I join 4/5 other players are using thorn or tlw. Now yes, you can still win with other guns and skill. I almost always finish with around 19 kills (21-22 usually to win) and I win every few rounds. But you're at a HUGE disadvantage if you don't use one of these 2 guns because they are far beyond other weapons 1v1. It's simple. Hand cannons shouldn't 2 shot. There really is no more diversity in PVP. Now yall are just gonna make comments about how I'm complaining, whining, etc. but deep down you know these weapons are broken. The best part of Destiny PVP is it's Time To Kill. It doesn't take .5 seconds to kill someone like in COD. But the few 2 shot primaries really ruin that. Even if they made it so every gun was Nerfed in a sense (not really) so that it took atleast 3 shots from a handcannon to kill someone no matter the gun. So every weapon just does a little less damage in the CRUCIBLE ONLY. Therefore making the TTK higher for every gun, and skill can play a bigger factor in gun fights.